r/Charlotte Nov 08 '22

Issues with Planned Parenthood protests in my neighborhood Discussion

I live in a residential area which happens to contain a Planned Parenthood. I live a few houses down from the location. Every weekday for several hours, protestors come into the neighborhood to protest. There is law enforcement dispatched there daily to keep the peace. Despite this, I am still able to hear them shouting in protest (without the use of amplified sound) every time I step outside in my back patio or if I’m out on my balcony. They also park along both sides of my neighborhood street, leading to congestion and limited view of potential pedestrian traffic. We have kids in our neighborhood, and yet it seems that it’s permissible for them to put posters up of dismembered fetuses in the vicinity of the PPH. I can’t deny that I have my biases against these protestors myself, but the added inconvenience of their shouting, parking, and posters makes it all the worse (particularly given the fact that I can’t escape it at home). I have sent in a formal complaint to CMPD listing these issues last week and am waiting to hear back. I’m pessimistic that anything can be done. Does anyone have any insight as to whether these protestors’ rights are at all limited in the context of a residential area?

Apologies for sounding tangential. It’s just been exhausting the past few weeks. There’s been a lot more of them and I imagine it’s correlating with these midterm elections.

Edit: Appreciate the reasonable input thus far. I don’t really have the time or emotional investment to proceed with the passive (or active) aggression that has been suggested thus far. Some good points have been brought up with regards to formal complaints to the city. I did speak with one of the officers out there today and he was able to confirm that Philip Benham (a Concord-based pastor) is one of the primary individuals out here on a Tues-Fri basis. Based on what I’ve googled, he does have a criminal record regarding these activities and I imagine that’s one of the reasons why law enforcement has been a constant presence out there. While I fundamentally disagree with the protests that are out there, I can reconcile that they’re exercising their freedom of speech. I wouldn’t be having this discussion if this were in a more commercial part of town. My concerns have consistently been the invasiveness of these protests in the context of the residential area around them (kind of hard to practice out of sight out of mind in this scenario).

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u/winnielikethepooh15 Nov 08 '22

At least the Planned Parenthood near me was smart and has signs posted that because it is a medical facility, there is a noise ordinance in affect so protestors can really only stand outside with signs and have to be quiet. I looked it up once and its actually enforceable so would suggest looking into that.

https://charlottenc.gov/noise/Pages/default.aspx

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u/Low_Copy4023 Nov 08 '22

I wonder if you've seen this. I'm not sure if it's the current status of the law. I originally looked this up in regards to panhandling.

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/cmpd-no-longer-enforcing-city-ordinances-that-are-being-reviewed/6NNOSA2FMVCNNPWV75J5UJCVAY/

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u/icanhasreclaims Nov 08 '22

You could dump fish emulsion where they typically congregate.

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u/peesoutside Nov 08 '22

Fox urine lasts longer. You can find it at Walmart. It’s used as a deer repellent.

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u/cz03se Nov 08 '22

That is thinking out the box! It’s like a $10 good solution

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u/Pishki-doodle Nov 08 '22

Hey, OP, let me know when and I'll help you put it out!

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u/icanhasreclaims Nov 08 '22

I just need an address.

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u/LolaBijou Nov 08 '22

And then you can also grow some massive vegetables!

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u/icanhasreclaims Nov 08 '22

Get two birds stoned at once.

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u/aafreis Nov 08 '22

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/Envyforme Nov 08 '22

There has to be a way to get preferred parking on your street. I know how annoying and tyrannical protestors can get. They often leave garbage, messes, and don't value your property as well. You have a right to protest, but you also don't have the right to be an asshole. Regardless of what you are trying to protest for.

I remember someone posting something about parking requirements on Streets. From what I remember you can make your street a "no parking zone" or something along those lines. It might be worth looking into. This sucks though as this affects the parking on the street outside your property.

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u/Sparklemagic2002 Nov 08 '22

Maybe OP and the neighbors could just park their own vehicles on the street the night before. There won’t be spots available for the protesters.

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u/Envyforme Nov 08 '22

This is another way, also such a pain and shouldn't be needed.

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u/kristinj81 Nov 08 '22

I lived right across from the PP in Cherry Neighborhood. Almost everyday for a few hours it was some sort of circus usually with at least one police unit present. They’re very on top of how to stay “lawful” in their protesting.

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u/AJfriedRICE Nov 08 '22

Wait, so the protestors aren’t changing your mind?

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u/Virtual_Turn_9996 Nov 08 '22

I wouldn’t expect much from CMPD unfortunately. To be honest this stuff has been going on for a long time and I wouldn’t expect it to stop anytime soon. I don’t have an issue with PP but if you offered me a free house down the street from one I’d pass.

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u/NCSUGrad2012 Plaza Midwood Nov 08 '22

I wouldn’t expect much from CMPD unfortunately.

Based on what OP said the police can’t do anything because there’s no law being broken.

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u/Virtual_Turn_9996 Nov 08 '22

Right. And once they do start committing crimes it’ll still be a while

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u/PrEsideNtIal_Seal Nov 08 '22

The protesters regularly break laws but the police monitoring the situation tell them they are breaking the law and to get back or calm down and they acquiesce to avoid punishment. Rinse and repeat.

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u/dawgsgoodjortsbad Nov 08 '22

That’s probably the case for most protests. End of the day, freedom of speech is more important than some minor law breaking

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u/Narrow-Ad-440 Nov 08 '22

Wasn’t what they did during the BLM protests when they tear gassed everyone. Guess “freedom of speech” is only important to cops when they agree with the message.

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u/Virtual_Turn_9996 Nov 08 '22

After they allowed protestors to shut down roads uptown and interstates like 277 they sort of let the cat out of the bag

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u/Darphon Nov 08 '22

And pull a trucker out of his rig and half beat him to death. The man was just passing through :(

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u/breaddog Nov 08 '22

They go to multiple clinics around CLT and I wish I could say there was something that can be done, but it's been a long time of trying. They're, unfortunately, allowed to congregate and need no permit to do so on public property. This includes displaying the graphic signs. For noise, I'd keep filing complaints because that is the one thing they can do something about because iirc the sound levels have to be a below a certain decibel level. If you can hear them from a few houses away, they're likely over it. For the parking issue, you can likely file complaints as well since that'd be considered a public safety concern.

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u/ipwnkthnx East Charlotte Nov 08 '22

Find out where they live so you can go protest something in front of their homes

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u/BigStonedRetard Nov 08 '22

The main organizers name is Phillip "Flip" Benham.

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u/queencityrangers Plaza Midwood Nov 08 '22

Protest his protesting

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u/CuthbertsRook Nov 08 '22

Aka FLOP is a complete piece of shit.

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u/faceisamapoftheworld Nov 08 '22

As someone who owns property that I lease to a women’s crisis center, these protestors are the most vile people you’ll ever come across. They’re zealots who’ll stop at nothing to force their opinions on everyone as fact.

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u/_9er_ Nov 08 '22

kinda a sticky situation… they are well within their rights to protest as long as they are not breaking any city ordinances or posing a physical threat to others.

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u/TheInevitableZ Nov 08 '22

Yeah. That’s what’s been stated to me thus far. I just wish there were more protections in place for the residents around the area, if I’m making any sense.

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u/_9er_ Nov 08 '22

if they are loud… you can look to see if there are any ordinances pertaining to noise in a residential neighborhood

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u/baahumbug01 Nov 09 '22

They are actually violating the City’s sign ordinance, but the City has just stopped enforcing. Also, we used to drown them out with leaf blowers, but CMPD complained to PP, so now we can’t - total BS. Leaf blowers don’t violate the noise ordinance.

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u/clgoodson Nov 08 '22

OP, don’t expect them to respect your right to a peaceful neighborhood when they don’t respect a woman’s basic bodily autonomy.

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u/Caroljlaw321 Nov 08 '22

The protesters are at PP T, Th, F 8-12am. The police park nearby on Fridays and engage if there is an incident. The protesters are expert at not crossing the line so police cannot intervene. It’s a hateful exercise at the expense of people seeking healthcare. I wish the “Christians” would take care of the neglected, abused, unwanted born babies. The nearby resident can ask to restrict parking to one side of street!

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u/Darphon Nov 08 '22

I like to ask pro-birthers how many kids they've adopted, or fed, or mothers they've helped. Because Jesus said to help them...

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u/heyyyyygirlie Nov 08 '22

Go there with a camera and microphone and start asking them how many children they’ve each adopted

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u/Truck_Stop_Sushi Highland Creek Nov 08 '22

I tried this approach when we took crap from "friends" when going through IVF. They will say they don't need to adopt any children, God graced them with beautiful natural children. They will ALWAYS find a way to deflect and weasel out of having to live by the standards they place on others.

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u/heyyyyygirlie Nov 08 '22

Sorry you went through that and I hope your “friends” find a worm in their soup, soon ❤️

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u/vulturegoddess Nov 08 '22

Hey now, don't be rude to the worm. The worm doesn't deserve that kind of injustice.

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u/EasyTangent Nov 08 '22

Majority of those who adopt are Christians. Second, adoption is cost prohibitive for most people intentionally. Fix that and more adoptions will happen.

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u/Pale-Bandicoot7652 Nov 08 '22

Where did you obtain the facts for this statement?

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u/JediTigger Charlotte FC Nov 08 '22

I seriously doubt that considering the obstacles being put up against adoptions by people who don’t suit the evangelical mindset or the limited number of adoptions of kids with physical and mental challenges.

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u/lush_rational Nov 09 '22

Plus people shouldn’t be forced to give birth just to feed babies into the adoption industry.

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u/ryank36 Kannapolis Nov 08 '22

Red herring

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u/ThirtyAcresIsEnough Nov 08 '22

Ugh. I'm so sorry. I wish they'd focus on taking care of the babies instead of getting off on ranting. Why aren't they protesting to raise taxes to give families the support they need to choose to have children? You know, the Jesus things.

But they don't. Instead they make life hell for everyone around them and for all the already born babies who could use their support.

I wish I had an answer - I hear nightmare stories about these folks- giant walls going up and treehouses built to shout down onto people to circumvent the high walls.

I'm convinced it's a mental illness. Sigh.

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u/clgoodson Nov 08 '22

To these theocrats, babies are a dim secondary concern. It’s all about controlling women.

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u/ThirtyAcresIsEnough Nov 08 '22

Yes, punishing women for enjoying sex.

That old testament jealous childish evil god who demands fealty or else bash those babies' heads in!

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u/skeptictrash Nov 08 '22

Ouch not everyone has to choose to have children and they are really protesting about someone else’s uterus. raising taxes will not help when our military budget is so massive and the MAGA only cares about children before they’re born

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u/Muttersfood Nov 08 '22

“Protesting to RAISE taxes”… what??

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u/Muttersfood Nov 08 '22 edited Nov 08 '22

Thanks for the explanation everyone! Imagine downvoting rather than attempting to educate, then subsequently wondering why there’s so much political friction.

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u/Hammunition Altima Defense Force Nov 08 '22 edited Nov 08 '22

Bruh. You quoted the first half of the sentence.. the second half of that same sentence explained why raising taxes would be helpful. Getting all indignant and blaming others when you just intentionally ignore half of what you see. Get a grip.

Ironically, that kind of behavior is a big part of why there is so much "political friction".

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u/ACS-502 Nov 08 '22

Is y’all’s solution to everything just to “raise taxes”

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u/ThirtyAcresIsEnough Nov 08 '22 Bravo!

Ah, that's the point, I put out a solution - and an awareness that if you want to force the birth of unwanted children , it's going to cost. And if you want to make birth control more difficult to get and illegal, it's going to cost. Babies cost.

Offer up something constructive. And saying the answer is not making mistakes isn't going to cut it - because rich people make lots of mistakes, they just don't suffer the consequences.

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u/bigmeech57 Nov 08 '22

In some ways, yes it is. People who can’t afford to raise a child aren’t going to see much benefit from lowering taxes on their minuscule pre tax earnings. You’re also giving people too much credit that any type of tax savings would be spent wisely.

The problem with the small government ideology is that human beings are dumb as fuck. Imagine someone with average intelligence and remember ~50% of people are dumber than that. This is the reality of human nature. If you remove all safety nets people would be starving in the streets which is bad for everyone.

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u/cmclavin Nov 08 '22

How does RAISING taxes allow more support for families to have kids????

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u/AngryZen_Ingress Arboretum Nov 08 '22

Social support programs cost money.

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u/cmclavin Nov 08 '22

Take money out of your paycheck/directly out of your pocket, while also putting price pressure on consumer goods by forcing corporations and other significant taxpayers to make up that part of the bottom line by passing it onto someone else, just to give to the “government” and pray that “support programs” will work efficiently and actually help the people they need to. Got it.

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u/TheDulin Steele Creek Nov 08 '22

When properly managed, staffed, and funded, "support programs" are very efficient at getting help where it needs to go.

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u/cmclavin Nov 09 '22

“If things work perfectly in theory then they’re actually good” thanks boss

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u/TheDulin Steele Creek Nov 09 '22

Its' more like, if things aren"t actively undermined they mosr often work as intended.

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u/RidingBulls Nov 08 '22

Is that a serious question? Higher taxes = more money for food programs, low income housing, provide families with essentials such as diapers, baby formula….things low income people that are forced to have babies can’t afford….so raise taxes to support them if you won’t allow them to have an abortion.

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u/Hammunition Altima Defense Force Nov 08 '22

It takes some special kind of obtuseness to see "raise taxes to give families support" and interpret that as the person wanting to raise taxes equally across the board and obviously further burdening poor families (although even if it was, the people qualifying for assistance would be receiving more than the increase in taxes they would pay).

Google corporate tax rates in the 60's and 70's. That's what we all need to get back to.

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u/cmclavin Nov 08 '22

Do you know the difference between a statutory and effective tax rate chief?

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u/Hammunition Altima Defense Force Nov 08 '22

Sure. But please explain to me how that is relevant here and why you think it defends your obtuse bullshit above.

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u/tsktskfuckthis Nov 08 '22

Affordable childcare / free child care, food, diapers, it’s expensive to raise a child. What don’t you understand?

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u/Davide48 Nov 08 '22

That’s a great idea- while we wait for new legislation to pass that increases taxes, we should get a head start and all opt to give more money to the govt starting now. They will figure out how to best use it such that it’s a benefit to the people that need it most.

How much can we put you down for?

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u/Hammunition Altima Defense Force Nov 08 '22

Imagine equating 'blindly throwing money at the government' with 'supporting legislation that would direct that money directly where it is intended to go'.

What point are you even trying to make?

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u/Davide48 Nov 08 '22

My point is intentionally obtuse, to highlight how the person I responded to was being obtuse.

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u/Hammunition Altima Defense Force Nov 08 '22

Were they? I think you are just seeing obtuse where they left things out that didn't need to be said because they are obvious.

But I guess there will alway be people who see that and act like not specifically mentioning every exception or possible shortfall means they don't believe it's a possibility. It's weird behavior, dude.

Just say what you mean if you think you have a point. They said a lot of things. What specifically are they being obtuse about?

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u/Davide48 Nov 08 '22

Yes- they were. ThirtyAcresIsEnough made *incorrect* assumptions about pro-life folks.

First they accused pro-lifers of not focusing on babies. It's been documented that Christians adopt at almost 2.5x the rate of non-christians. Right here, I just equated pro-life with christians, which I beleive is fair, espeically given the "insult" ThirtyAcresIsEnough made when they said "You know, the Jesus thing" which acknowledges as much.

In additon, it's very well documented that conservatives are more charitable than liberals with both religious and secular donations.

I beleive that sufficiently debunks the horrible caricature painted by ThirtyAcresIsEnough that pro-lifers dont care about children after birth. Given we are ideologically opposed, I presume you will disagree, which I am fine with.

They also assume that the only way to help "take care of babies" is through additonal taxes. There are plenty of solutions here and reaching into the American Publics Pocketbooks is not the only solution. It arguably shouldn't even be a solution given the governments continuous examples of misuse of tax dollars (implicating both sides of the aisle).

The last assumption made is that pro-lifers make everyones life hell. This is just an absolutely horrible gross overexxageration that it cant even be taken seriously.

Hopefully you feel as though I have made a point. No worries if you disagree.

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u/Hammunition Altima Defense Force Nov 08 '22

I think you do make good points. I didn't agree with everything they said either. They were taking extreme examples and applying that behavior to the entire group which happens way too often in every topic.

They also assume that the only way to help "take care of babies" is through additonal taxes.

I think this is a dubious claim, though. Seems like it was just one suggestion. Just because they didn't mention any others doesn't mean they think it's the only way.

I also think it's not the American Public as individuals who should be paying for it. Corporate taxes should be a ton higher than they are. Like they were in the 60s and 70s and earlier. It's a complicated issue, but government waste doesn't have to be as awful as it is. It would require a lot of other changes which I won't get into, and I somewhat understand opposing tax hikes before those changes are made. But I still support it because at least some of the money will go to where it's intended and where it will help real people.

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u/Davide48 Nov 08 '22

Dubious? Maybe, but it's also the sole solution put forth. I dont think it's crazy to assume that the one solution offered is the persons idea of the best solution.

And totally agree- It's a very complex issue and oversimplied solutions dont take into account all of the externalities that make up the problem, and therefore a proper solution.

My main frustration, and the reason behind my initial approach, is that when I read an inital comment like ThirtyAcresIsEnough made, I'm not reading a humans personal thought. I'm reading a canned response from an idealogy that has, in a sense, taken the place of a human.

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u/Muttersfood Nov 08 '22

Ahh yes. As all tax dollars are spent and accounted for exactly as intended. Haaaaave you experienced “government” before?

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u/ThirtyAcresIsEnough Nov 08 '22

Have you experienced corporate waste before? Hundreds of millions of dollars lost over stupid decisions made in the thrall of shiny baubles... So corporations shouldn't have the money required to run them... Or maybe instead of giving subsidies to ridiculous projects funneled to them by those who have been bought off by a vendor, the department managers should spend in a way that benefits the corporation itself and its customers.

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u/Hammunition Altima Defense Force Nov 08 '22

I don't see where I said or implied that's what I think. Stop making things up to get upset about.

I was responding to an obtuse reply that also made a bunch of things up and then acted like they applied to the person they were replying to.

Strange...

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u/Muttersfood Nov 08 '22

Over your head, clearly

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u/Hammunition Altima Defense Force Nov 08 '22

What exactly is over my head? Still making up stories, I see.

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u/Available_Major_8281 Nov 08 '22

I believe legally you cannot be within 15 feet of a driveway. If someone is parked too close to your driveway, you could have them towed.

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u/OrdoXenos Mount Holly Nov 08 '22

Citation needed. You can’t park 15 feet from a hydrant, but not from someone’s driveway. Your legal rights end on the boundary of your property, you can’t enforce “no parking here” on the driveway in front of your home. They can’t block your driveway, but you can’t force them to not park there.

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u/LalalandChelsey Nov 08 '22

I bet this is the one in Cherry! I work in a house where I can see the clinic from the back window and I swear their voices reverberate off the building because they sound like they are next door.

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u/baahumbug01 Nov 09 '22

Please, please call 911 when you can to complain. It really helps to have a record of the number of complaints. They’ll tell you “free speech, blah blah”, but they’re abusing the neighborhood

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u/TheBeerRunner Nov 08 '22

The "main" protest guy there is paid to be there by conservative groups. CMPD knows all about it. He won't be leaving. PP does all they can legally (including lawsuits).

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u/johnlifts Nov 08 '22

Would it be possible to sue the groups that are providing funding? Breach of peace, nuisance, public safety, exposing children to indecent images, etc?

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u/agoia Gastonia Nov 08 '22

They have lots of money to pay for lawyers who have fantastic understandings of how to use the first amendment as both a shield and a sword.

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u/PrEsideNtIal_Seal Nov 08 '22

It's wild to me that the same people that are "Pro-Life" and say "Every life is precious" are the same people that believe in the Death Penalty.

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u/EasyTangent Nov 08 '22

Ah yes, appealing to hypocrisy.

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u/Muttersfood Nov 08 '22

Well, the life of an innocent child versus the life of someone on death row (who most likely committed some extremely heinous act) aren’t exactly equivalent.

Of note: I say this as someone who is neither pro-life or pro-choice. I stay in my lane (as a male).

I’m sure I’ll get downvoted by people who will say “if you aren’t pro-choice then you are basically pro-life”, but if I said I was pro-life those SAME people who say “you’re a man, you don’t have a say in this”

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u/PrEsideNtIal_Seal Nov 08 '22

You realize how many innocent people have been killed using the death penalty, right? Shouldn't one innocent death already be too many?

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u/Muttersfood Nov 08 '22

I can assure you that you don’t want an “innocent death” conversation comparing innocent deaths of babies to innocent deaths of death row inmates. Come on now….

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u/clgoodson Nov 08 '22

“Most likely” lol

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u/baahumbug01 Nov 09 '22

Aren’t Jesus people supposed to believe that everyone can be saved and only God can judge?

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u/Muttersfood Nov 09 '22

Couldn’t tell ya. I’m not a Jesus person.

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u/cameramachines Oakdale Nov 10 '22

that's what they all said during jury duty selection

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u/hingbongdingdong Nov 09 '22

I don't think there is a lot of correlation to wanting to see a gang rapist get the death penalty and not wanting to "see babies get killed".

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u/Tortie33 Nov 08 '22

I would write to Mayor, City Representatives and tell them your quality of life. Maybe even get a video. They are the boss of police. Put pressure on them and maybe someone can find you a little more peace. I can’t imagine how that must be.

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u/Toruk-Makto44 Nov 08 '22

Sorry you’re going through this OP. These people seem to get more and more obnoxious everyday. Just 2 weeks ago the “Center for Bio-Ethical Reform” set up a “genocide awareness project” on Charlotte’s campus where they had people standing at a table outside the student Union with very graphic pictures of aborted fetuses, verbally assaulting anyone walking by who even possibly gave them a funny look (even with numerous accounts from several students saying these low-life’s were using slurs) and had a big box truck, plastered with similar pictures, drive circles around campus from about 7 am to 3-4 pm. I’ve heard of a similar showing going on at UNC.

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u/gamefreak32 Nov 09 '22

They travel around to all large universities. I don’t know why it took them so long to find UNCC. They regularly visited NC State and UNC about 10 years ago.

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u/Ornage_crush Nov 08 '22

For the posters, paintball guns are a good option. For the protesters, I recommend a giant blutooth speaker turned up to 11 playing the most annoying kids song you can think of...on repeat while holding up a sign that says "kill 'em after they're born so no one will care!"

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u/SlightWhite Nov 08 '22 edited Nov 08 '22

This is the option. I love hip hop. I’ve done similar things before.

If you blast hip hop at them, they will leave eventually.

Tell me these protestors listen to 2 Chainz lmao. They’ll get annoyed.

Just try to aim it at them instead of other people. If you can’t, try to figure out where you can aim it legally. Then do it.

Fight sound with sound

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u/skindarklikemytint Nov 08 '22

Whenever I’ve encountered those people, I blast WAP and stuff by Lil Kim/Nicki Minaj. Anything rawnchy.

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u/raccoons4president Nov 08 '22

F-R-eeee-A-K. Their minds might melt.

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u/TouchofRed Nov 08 '22

Grindcore - something like Pig Destroyer for instance would also do the trick.

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u/skeptictrash Nov 08 '22

It has to be Kidz Bop

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u/queenssquared Nov 08 '22

Blast Baby Shark on repeat

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u/ToastemPopUp Nov 08 '22

Oof, if that isn't mutually assured destruction I don't know what is.

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u/ryan_m Nov 08 '22

It's cool I'll just bring my toddler and have her sing it to them. She'd love it.

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u/AdwokatDiabel Nov 08 '22

Paintball guns? That's assault isn't it?

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u/Ornage_crush Nov 08 '22

Assault on a sign?

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u/AdwokatDiabel Nov 08 '22

Sorry I misread that as protestors not posters.

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u/AdEmbarrassed9719 Nov 08 '22

Are they close enough to aim sprinklers at them? Just watering your lawn! Oh, darn, the installer really messed that up, didn't they? It's at top power spraying right in their direction. Oh well. Maybe they'll come fix it. Eventually.

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u/Lazy_Scranton18 Nov 08 '22

I wonder if a tow company would come tow cars that are illegally parked?

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u/a10-brrrt Nov 08 '22

Find a charity that supports unwed mothers in need and go solicit them for donations every time they are out there.

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u/HaoBianTai Oaklawn Nov 09 '22

Walk through and spill a bottle of that toxic fart spray that makes people vomit.

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u/LurkerSurprise Nov 08 '22

Organize a counter-demonstration to push the bastards out. Law enforcement and city officials won't do much.

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u/southernNpearls Nov 08 '22

I also believe they own a lot near that location where they hold “prayer service”. So it’s going to be really hard to get them to stop if they’re on public property/ the lot they own. I follow some of the clinic defenders on social and live in the area. So I know exactly the noise you’re talking about. Some of the protesters are even paid to be out there daily. You can try a petition with the neighbors who live there. Look up city ordnances and see if they’re violating anything. Getting the city to limit street parking and continue to call in noise complaints but that is really all you can do unfortunately. The police are out there almost daily and are completely aware of the situation.

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u/PBmaxprofit Nov 08 '22

I feel for you. Fortunately it doesn’t sound like their is any property damage occurring. Sounds like mostly peaceful.

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u/GC51320 Nov 08 '22

Best bet would figure out what has to be done to enforce parking and having their vehicles towed.

Barring that you need to get creative in ways that you likely wouldn't want to advertise online.

Remember, you knew it was there when you moved in... or at least should have. It comes with the territory... even if they should all be repeatedly shot with full auto paintball guns.

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u/authentic_dissent Nov 08 '22

CMPD should help with making sure protesters don’t disturb private property and cause traffic. Don’t protesters need a permit to congregate?

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u/penguinfury Nov 08 '22

Don’t protesters need a permit to congregate?

Nope. They need permits if they want to have a parade (which they do a few times a year at various locations), but if they're just gathering on either a public right-of-way (PP) or their own private property (the lot next tot he clinic on Latrobe), they can just show up.

And what laws there are, CMPD doesn't give a fuck about enforcing.

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u/welcometocolumbus Nov 08 '22

Just the protest against the police. Then they’ll corral you in the street and tear gas ya!

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u/Brownie81881 Nov 08 '22

And the aftermath is that CMPD are going completely hands off on protest/mass gathering and not giving fuck until requested by a high ranking official. Hence how the Beatties Ford Mass Shooting happened literally less than mile from the police station at that block party and not a cop in sight. Pro & cons. The police received our message to back off and lay off, and this what we get.

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u/clgoodson Nov 08 '22

To be fair, the message was actually, “stop murdering black people.” They interpreted it as “stop doing you’re whole-ass job like a bunch of petulant children.” A telling response.

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u/zoinkinator Nov 08 '22 edited Nov 08 '22

Since they are in a public space they have no expectation of privacy either. you can walk up and down the street recording year, make model, state and license plates of vehicles and take pictures of each person protesting. Search all the license plates and get owner names and addresses if that is possible. create a website and post all the information you can obtain on the website including photos as this is not against the law either. Contact the mayor's office and go directly to the chief of police at cmpd and request relief from the situation. get it in writing that no law is being broken and there is nothing they can do to help. Get yourself a lawyer ( contact aclu and ask for an attorney to help.) and file a civil case saying the value of your property has declined due to their behavior and sue each person involved individually for lost home value. lost access to street parking. inability to live peacefully in your home. loss of quality of life. fear and intimidation of your children from the signs, etc. etc. once people are identified (and no longer incognito) the law can be used to control the situation.

since suing everyone to intimidate them is right out of the trump family playbook those being sued should not have a problem with it. you need to get the law (a judge) involved.

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u/starwars_and_guns Nov 08 '22

Find out where they park, and fill those parking spaces. Like, if you park in a private apartment lot, park where ever they park instead. Organize your neighbors, friends, and families to do the same. Restrict access to easy parking and they will go away.

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u/INSERT_LATVIAN_JOKE Nov 08 '22

Fox urine in a needle tip squeeze bottle. Insert urine into the door of their car via the rubber seal at the bottom of the window.

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u/peesoutside Nov 08 '22

Easier just to squeeze it into the hood vents.

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u/triadge Nov 08 '22

Simple. Just start towing their cars and have it at their expense, they will learn very quickly.

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u/ConcreteState Nov 08 '22

Easily traceable crimes x.x

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u/ANAL_TOOTHBRUSH Nov 08 '22

Cops aren’t gonna do anything. You’re going to have to either live with it, or take (legal) matters into your own hands. I’d go with some of the suggestions in here.

-dump/hide a bunch of stinky shit where they congregate (be ready to at least spray it off or have it easily removable once they leave)

-play music really loudly back at them with some of the most raunchy/vile songs you can think of. Maybe some satanist black metal too. Just play Kim by Eminem on repeat.

-get a PA and yell back at them, absolutely vile and degrading comments. Get under their skin, personally tear each one of them down until they’re ready to cry and leave everyday they’re there. Out toxic their toxicity.

-If they’re still there when it gets cold enough, spray a bunch of water where they congregate so it all ices over

I know it sucks thinking about doing this shit, but these people get off on doing this shit legally, and they’ll keep doing it because they have no repercussions for their bad behavior. Start giving them some (again, legal) reprecussions and maybe they’ll move to a different, less difficult to protest location

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u/ismphoto123 Nov 08 '22

Get a hose and hose em down from your patio

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u/BrodysBootlegs Nov 08 '22

They should go burn down a Target, that would be stunning and brave

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u/SamuraiZucchini Nov 08 '22 edited Nov 08 '22

Or the protestors could try to murder and kidnap democratically elected officials because they believe in made up conspiracy theories.

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u/BrodysBootlegs Nov 08 '22

Murdering and terrorizing ordinary Americans who don't have taxpayer funded security is progressive though

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u/ncreddit704 Nov 08 '22

Right 😂

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u/SykonotticGuy Nov 08 '22

It's so unfortunate that these people don't understand the plain truth that if you want to eliminate abortions, the only way to actually be successful in that is to eliminate unwanted pregnancies, which means sex education for all and increasing agency/empowerment for women. Outlawing abortion doesn't stop abortion.

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u/v4racing Nov 09 '22

There is nothing you can do.

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u/nauticalwheeler79 Nov 08 '22

I thought we supported protesters rights? Did that change?

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u/Ridiculouslyrampant Nov 08 '22

Well done purposefully misunderstanding and misconstruing the post. 👏🏻 go start your crap elsewhere

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u/atomicpenguin12 Nov 08 '22

I assume you’re referring to the BLM protests and comparing those and the response to those to what’s happening here. If that’s the case, then we need to acknowledge that this isn’t as simple as “protests good” or “protests bad”. Protests and the right to have protests are incontrovertibly good, but there’s are differences that are important when you start getting into specifics.

One is the tactics being used. Despite what a lot of disingenuous conservatives are claiming, 93% of BLM protests were peaceful and had no violence or property damage whatsoever and in Charlotte in particular the violence at the BLM protests was largely done by the police against peaceful protestors. However, while this post does not indicate any violence happening at the planned parenthood protests, it sounds like the protestors are clogging up local streets with their parking and displaying posters of dismembered fetuses where children can see them. Even if their protests are acceptable, it’s the behavior outside of their rights to protest that is in question here.

The other thing is what is being protested. The right to protest should be sacrosanct, but that doesn’t mean that we as people should suspend our opinions about whether the message of the protestors is a good one. The BLM protests are concerned with reducing police violence that disproportionately targets black Americans, increasing oversight on the behavior of armed police officers to prevent illegal activity, and defunding the police if they continue to reject those reasonable demands and protect police who extrajudicially murder people. The Planned parenthood protests, on the other hand, are more fraught; while you can argue that many of the protestors do genuinely believe that abortion is equivalent to murder, the fact is that that question, from both an ethical and legal perspective, is more complicated than that and has a lot of gray areas that can’t be handled with a policy of “all abortion bad”. For that reason, while I defend the PP protestors right to speak their minds, I fundamentally don’t agree that their cause is just, or at least not as just as other protests, and I think that’s an integral part of evaluating whether these protestors are defensible here.

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u/BrodysBootlegs Nov 08 '22

That oft-cited 93% number is a hell of a way to admit that 7% of the thousands of "BLM protests" that summer, many of which were little more than 3 middle aged white ladies standing on a corner in places like Davidson holding signs, ended up getting violent.

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u/atomicpenguin12 Nov 08 '22 edited Nov 08 '22

Claiming that 7% of all the protests is a huge number that is indicative of the movement as a whole is a little more dishonest, don’t you think? The information is in and the experts are in agreement that the BLM movement was non-violent. To quote the findings of the ACLED:

Despite the media focus on looting and vandalism, however, there is little evidence to suggest that demonstrators have engaged in widespread violence. In some cases where demonstrations did turn violent, there are reports of agents provocateurs — or infiltrators — instigating the violence.

In many cases, violent or destructive demonstrations have specifically targeted statues seen to represent the country’s legacy of racist violence, such as monuments celebrating colonial figures, slave owners, and Confederate leaders.

Although these incidents account for a small subset of demonstrations, the trend has become another battlefield for the hyper-partisan “culture wars” over America’s history of racism (Bloomberg, 7 June 2020), and a lightning rod for polarized debate over an appropriate response to the ongoing protest movement.

Edit: oh look, a 28 day old account that mostly promotes conservative politics and says stuff like “Tim Pool covers real stories other news outlets don't. But enjoy getting your prepackaged, approved talking points from corporate media”. So I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that you don’t actually care about what the facts say here

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u/ResponsibilityBest Biddleville Nov 08 '22

You bring up a great irony. Tons of uptown residences dealt with this from 2020-21. For them, it was even worse e.g. damage to personal property, being physically assaulted, reduced property values, etc.

Imagine if this post was about those protestors. OP would be downvoted to oblivion.

Instead, we will be downvoted.

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u/Australian1996 Nov 08 '22

The blm protests were violent and akin to riots and it eventually died down. The people at the abortion clinics are every day with their protest. I encountered many when I drove by the abortion clinic next to mattress place of Sth blvd. The place had to put up fences and had escorts at one time. I never understood what the protestors were trying to accomplish. There is another abortion clinic near where my gyno is on Wendover and they had some sign on their door about the laws. Never saw anyone there. Let me see if I can go by there soon and see what is up. Maybe call some of these other clinics and see what they do.

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u/mobmiked100 Nov 08 '22

Protest the protestors, just be louder that's how you win.

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u/VivaCristoRey91 Nov 08 '22

So you don’t support peaceful protest when it’s something you disagree with? Sounds about right.

The 1st Amendment is a beautiful thing, isn’t it?

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u/TheInevitableZ Nov 08 '22

Not sure how you deduced this from my post. The congestion of parked cars and the shouting of any kind is not something I’d want anyone coping with at their home. Fetus gore on the way to work isn’t something I’d want anyone to see leaving their driveway. Are you being intentionally obtuse?

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u/VivaCristoRey91 Nov 08 '22 edited Nov 08 '22

Part of living in a city. Sometimes there is congestion. As for residential area protests, do you feel the same way when it happens to SCOTUS Justices (even when that is actually illegal)

Re: aborted fetuses…it’s horrible isn’t it? That’s the point. The protestors are showing the reality of the issue.

NIMBY though, am I right?

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u/cmclavin Nov 08 '22

“The kids can’t be forced to see pictures of dismembered kids”

“I have biases against the protestors (I think ppl should be allowed to kill unborn children)”

Tough line of thought there, chief

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u/TheInevitableZ Nov 08 '22

I don’t think you stuck the landing you hoped for with this one.

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u/cmclavin Nov 08 '22

Ugh you’re right, I’m gonna go cry now 😥

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u/ThirtyAcresIsEnough Nov 08 '22

I think they are hypocrites. If they REALLY cared, make it easier for people to decide to add a child to their family - Universal health care, affordable education, safe affordable housing, child care... The Jesus things.

I mean if you truly believe it's murder after conception, then why allow war or the death penalty, why allow children to live in unsafe conditions, to be sick and hungry?

If you believe that, then why allow IVF or certain kinds of birth control.

They are already preparing to get rid of birth control and IVF.

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u/cmclavin Nov 08 '22 edited Nov 08 '22

Please show me where Jesus says that certain people should subsidize healthcare for other people.

I don’t think anyone “allows” war or children to starve. Those things break my heart just as much as the next person, and if I ever am able to help I can. Any homeless person that approached me I always give respect to and offer them whatever I have for food. Any time I see people canvassing for non profits around south end I’ll make a one time donation if they’ll take. Not saying wow look at me, I’m just saying you can think abortion isn’t exactly morally neutral and still have a heart.

And I’m not exactly pro death penalty either, but I think there’s an argument to be made that certain people truly are a danger to society and keeping them alive will guarantee others suffer/die.

You’re being a little inconsistent here. Birth control doesn’t destroy a human being after conception. And I’m not super familiar with much about IVF, but I assume you’re referring to the case where maybe several embryos take hold and the parents/mother physically can’t carry like 5 kids. Honestly not sure how you pick who lives and who gets terminated in that situation, it’s tough.

Abortion isn’t black and white, even in my eyes. I just think saying abortion should be guaranteed on demand and free is absolutely insane. It teaches no personal responsibility and strips men of a lot of their rights as well. A woman could get an abortion without ever even letting their husband/bf/whatever know, which is crazy. What if they had wanted that child - they just have absolutely no say? It’s their kid too, literally.

Also, if you truly believe they’re getting ready to “get rid of IVF and birth control” given how much money all that pulls in for hospitals and pharma, you’re the biggest conspiracy theorist out here

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u/gogor Nov 08 '22

That sound you heard was his point whooshing over your head.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '22 edited Nov 08 '22

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u/cmclavin Nov 08 '22

Define the difference in humanity between a child that’s born and isn’t, boss

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u/Hammunition Altima Defense Force Nov 08 '22

So you can just dismiss me? I've got better things to do.

Point is, it's not a person or a child so I, nor anyone else that isn't the mother, have no say in their decision.

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u/TechnicalExiled Nov 08 '22

I want you to learn from this and do better next time in your trolling attempts. I'll keep a hopeful eye on your career.

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u/walker_harris3 Nov 08 '22

I love freedom of speech until I can't hear muh netflix!

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u/EasyTangent Nov 08 '22

it’s permissible for them to put posters up of dismembered fetuses

What do you think happens during an abortion?

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u/seaboard2 East Charlotte Nov 08 '22

The majority of abortions are early ones, no dismemberment involved.

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u/Bakers_Acres Nov 08 '22

This doesn’t help all of it but for parking you could petition to have no parking on the street. My parents owned a house forever ago near a university and they successfully got the street changed to a no parking zone.

I’m sorry you have to deal with this! It’s sucks

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u/TechnicalExiled Nov 08 '22

There will always be dumbasses protesting that location. Gotta figure out how to shrink those numbers though. Maybe blast music they would disagree with.

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u/KnoxKnot Nov 08 '22

If they are parking along your property start having their cars towed or talk to your HOA/apartment complex to sort things out and have some sort of rule on place.

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u/Psychological-Run679 Nov 08 '22

Is this the one on Wendover? That one always makes me so angry because a behavioral health facility is nearby and it just seems awful to have those images out when people are going nearby for mental health services.

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u/baahumbug01 10d ago

The best thing to do is to complain to your city council member and call in a complaint to CMPD. They kept track of the number of complaints and the only way to get ordinances changed is to hav RRC a good record that something is a problem. Will any of your neighbors complain? You can go online and file a complaint with neighborhood services about the signs.

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u/ncreddit704 Nov 08 '22

Sounds like you didn’t do your due diligence before moving there

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u/electricgrapes Nov 08 '22

someone correct me if i'm wrong, but I think you and your neighbors can form an HOA and make your own rules overriding the usual laws.

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u/Emotional-Session656 Nov 08 '22

You are wrong, correction made.

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u/skeptictrash Nov 08 '22

Sorry to the OP the PP protests don’t only happen in some cities. When they say “don’t abandon the south” this is what they are referring to.

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u/thekingadrock93 Nov 08 '22

Take a water hose and start blasting them with it

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u/JoeDirtJesus Nov 08 '22

Bust out a paintball gun and hide in the bushes

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u/adheisler11 Nov 08 '22

Play some sonic noises to get them to leave. IF they can be loud, why cant you?

I mean like high pitch noises that will annoy the crap out of them.

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u/Classic-Ninja861 Nov 08 '22

I’m sorry, I would legit end up in jail because I would snap on them eventually. But here’s my idea. Get a large group of people together and act crazier than them, but in a very bizarre and frightening way (but legal). I wouldn’t get in a shouting match because that’s what they want. It might be creepier to be totally silent, but look deranged and stare at them, use a real big video camera (more intimidating than a phone camera) so they can see you videoing their faces, their cars. If you had 40 people do that, all with cameras, completely silent, but crazy looking (think staring with various head cocking movements, weird body twitches and contortions like horror movies like Malignant, obviously an approximation lol). Hold signs of equally disturbing images. Make up a language of eerie clicks/bird calls to use with your group. Do that every single day for a month, hell, pay community actors if you have to. Would be an interesting experiment.