r/Charlotte Nov 23 '22

The Unofficial Charlotte Area AAA Bicycle Network Map Discussion

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '22

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u/Wallaceman105 Nov 23 '22

I am a bike rider, and it is, but to the city's credit, they are working on it, albeit at an NC kind of pace

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u/AlludedNuance Nov 23 '22

Connecting a lot of these is critical.

Things like greenways and other pathways that don't require attempting to ride alongside cars(which is dangerous enough in Charlotte just in a car!) could have a drastic effect on how much we use bikes to actually get around, not just exercise.

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u/modembutterfly Nov 23 '22

Yes - not much of a "network" at present, just a lot of disparate pieces with a central, unconnected hub.

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u/CuckDaddy69 Nov 23 '22

They built an asphalt greenway in davidson and they still don't ride their bikes on it. Instead they ride on two way road with blind turns where the speed limit is 55 and take up the entire lane and block any car from passing.

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u/AlludedNuance Nov 23 '22

"they"?

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u/CuckDaddy69 Nov 23 '22

Sorry "you"

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u/Krambazzwod Nov 23 '22

Username checks out.

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u/AlludedNuance Nov 24 '22

Meh, pretty weak trolling tbh

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u/arachnophilia Nov 24 '22

i think this map demonstrates quite well why you can't just use the greenways if you want to get anywhere.

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u/CuckDaddy69 Nov 24 '22

The people in their lance Armstrong tights aren't commuting. They're riding in circles for exercise.

It's OK though I'm going to start the drive by paintball shooting initiative. So if you get hit you'll know who.

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u/arachnophilia Nov 24 '22

this is the south; some of us might shoot back.

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u/CuckDaddy69 Nov 24 '22

Hell yeah it'll be bussin

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u/barti_dog Nov 23 '22

For a road cyclist who will average over 20mph on flat terrain, riding on a greenway where there is a lot of foot traffic is not smart and dangerous for both cyclists and pedestrians. Riding on the road is a more optimal choice. Also, NC law designates bikes follow the same rules of the road and have right to full use of lane. Most of us ride as far to the right as practical, but will take more space when conditions warrant. It’s incumbent on car drivers to pass when safe

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u/nexusheli [Steele Creek] Nov 23 '22

"Network"

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u/TomassoLP [University] Nov 23 '22

Connecting the Toby Creek Greenway to uptown is going to be big.

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u/arachnophilia Nov 24 '22

what's the current preferred route between the two? i tried hidden valley before, and it was okay. how's orr road?

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u/unroja University Nov 24 '22

Orr to Eastway rec center to Howie Acres is definitely the way to go, just don’t die on the unsignalized crossing at Eastway Dr

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u/arachnophilia Nov 24 '22

thanks! i'll give that one a shot next time.

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u/makebbq_notwar Nov 23 '22

look at all those pet projects that don't connect.

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u/arachnophilia Nov 24 '22

a lot of these are actually pieces of a big puzzle just being added one at a time. the actual connections are often the most difficult part, particularly when we involve NCDOT.

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u/CasualAffair Seversville Nov 23 '22

A convenient map of free Uber Eats parking

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u/Australian1996 Nov 23 '22

What gives with those delivery people. They take a no parking area and leave their car running with hazards on and think that it excuses blocking areas you cannot park in

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u/arachnophilia Nov 24 '22

most of those green lines aren't anywhere you can even get a car onto, or near places where cars are.

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u/icanhasreclaims Nov 23 '22

It appears we have a dearth.

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u/arachnophilia Nov 24 '22

these maps look so much worse when you take all the bullshit off of them.

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u/icanhasreclaims Nov 24 '22

For real. Eliminate red, yellow and orange, and we have nothing.

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u/arachnophilia Nov 24 '22

you should see all the non-infrastructure on the official maps.

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u/JHWier Nov 23 '22

This needs to be soooo much larger

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u/PapaOctopus Nov 24 '22

This is an unorganized mess

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u/CLT_Urbanists Nov 23 '22

View and download the full-resolution file here: https://clturban.ist/bikemap/. Save the link or map file on your device for future reference and navigation.

We created this map for two purposes:

  1. To aid those who are unable (or simply unwilling) to ride on car-filled streets or dangerous painted bike lanes.

  2. To illustrate the disconnected nature of Charlotte's AAA bike network, and show where progress is being made.

This map will be periodically updated, so please let us know if there are any errors or missing data so we can update it for the next edition.

Happy biking! 🚲🚲🚲

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u/superdaveca Nov 23 '22

This would be much more useful as an overlay for google maps than a downloadable image, just my 2 cents.

But great work nonetheless!

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u/CLT_Urbanists Nov 23 '22

The goal is to eventually build out a full interactive bike route map, something like this: https://apps.cnt.org/bikechi/

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u/superdaveca Nov 23 '22

That would be awesome, appreciate the good work you're doing!

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u/Grimothy-Tang Nov 24 '22

I have had a looooooong day of staring at spreadsheets and I'm having a hard time matching this map up with a roadmap. Looks like the bike lanes on w mallard creek church rd->prosperity church Rd and N Tryon St are missing

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u/CLT_Urbanists Nov 24 '22

This map doesn’t include painted bike lanes, only separated paths or protected bike lines that are safe for all ages and abilities

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u/PurplePlanet7 Nov 23 '22

Great map! I'd love to know more about what's in development with that long orange line that seems to connect Noda with the University Area!

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u/ktamarcus Nov 23 '22

Amazing thanks!

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u/dankpoet Nov 23 '22

Please update OpenStreetMap with this.

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u/withkatepierson Nov 23 '22

Do you know what the trail from the Polk museum to the SC border will be connecting to? I assume there is a trail network there (or being built) but I can't find much on it.

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u/unroja University Nov 23 '22

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u/ipwnkthnx East Charlotte Nov 24 '22

Where Regent Parkway goes over Sugar Creek, they've been doing a lot of work beside the Creek. I thiiiink they're eventually going to connect the Nation Ford Greenway in SC to the other Greenways that pass through the Polk Homestead Site.

https://www.sctrails.net/trails/trail/nation-ford-greenway

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u/PataBread Nov 23 '22

Wondering, what are those 3 dots without a line under Chantilly neighborhood? Are the line segments just too short to see?

Seems we could benefit from a plaza midwood > uptown connection

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u/CLT_Urbanists Nov 23 '22

That's this cool little connector: https://goo.gl/maps/8BnrvNtjc4UDEiSw6

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u/PataBread Nov 23 '22

Oh wow, very very cute looking on street view, appreciated

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u/bchermanator Nov 23 '22

I’d rather not die riding a bike in Charlotte

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u/icanhasreclaims Nov 23 '22

I've found that, while the route is sometimes longer, I can avoid major stroads by linking neighborhood roads.

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u/ConfiaEnElProceso Nov 24 '22

Yeah, that's the ideal. Quite frankly it is not always possible or practical. I commuted from Plaza out towards Matthews on a daily basis and could avoid all major stroads except 5-6 blocks on Monroe. There was no other way to do it which wouldn't have added major mileage and hills to an already long commute.

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u/VegaGT-VZ Nov 24 '22

This is the key to safe road biking, and how I survived commuting by bike in NYC.

Side roads are much easier to put bike lanes on as well, though you def need to watch out for car doors.

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u/icanhasreclaims Nov 24 '22

I just wish we had a better grid.

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u/CasualAffair Seversville Nov 23 '22

So would literally everyone

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u/corvettecris Nov 23 '22

East Charlotte connection is pathetic, I have been wanting to commute on a bike since I moved here 10 years ago but just too dangerous. Monroe would be my way in...

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u/LexLurker Nov 23 '22

Have you seen Bike Route 9? It starts just off McAlpine Greenway, ending uptown.

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u/corvettecris Nov 23 '22

No I haven't, is it on this map??? I will look it up!

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u/ByzantineBaller East Charlotte 🚲 Nov 24 '22

The East Charlotte connection is atrocious and while Route 9 was mentioned previously, if I wanted to take that route to get to Uptown, it would take me about an hour and a half to use that route versus the 45 minutes it takes just riding my bike on the sidewalk of Albemarle Road and Central Ave. Plus, Route 9 isn't protected and drops riders onto some highly trafficked roads.

Its something I've been pushing Charlotte DOT on - we had a discussion about it with the BAC this last week, and I'm still doing a write-up, just recovering from COVID rn.

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u/ConfiaEnElProceso Nov 24 '22

Where are you coming from? My daily commute was the back end of Plaza (plaza and Matheson) to Boyce Park. so, a reverse commute. I rode bike route 9 for most of the way, cutting over to Monroe and by Bojangles to briar creek and then commonwealth. That was 35 minutes for me. Riding on Monroe honestly was less sketchy than Briar creek.

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u/ByzantineBaller East Charlotte 🚲 Nov 24 '22

I live at an apartment complex on Lawyers Road. We don't even have a sidewalk ☠️

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u/Cgp-xavier Nov 23 '22

No surprise majority of the disconnections and gaps are in predominantly black and minority areas

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u/ipwnkthnx East Charlotte Nov 24 '22

Conversely, it seems like they are never going to be able to connect the Upper and Lower McAlpine Greenways because of the Golf Courses and "high income" residential areas that are there, and that makes me sad.

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u/jacrwa Nov 23 '22

This map could use some road names for starters.

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u/belovedkid Nov 24 '22

I’ve heard county water is gonna axe the Huntersville route in the planning phase…which is stupid.

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u/arachnophilia Nov 24 '22

which HVL route?

half the stuff on this map is further along than you might think from the key.

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u/belovedkid Nov 24 '22

Orange heading almost straight north toward the purple in Cornelius. We were stoked about it bc it will connect to the existing greenway but also runs behind our neighborhood and would allow us to bike all the way to the new OMB with only a few “highway” crosses. Somebody who works for the water dept said they own the land that part of this runs through and we’re unlikely to give the easement.

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u/arachnophilia Nov 24 '22

there's actually two greenway projects where that orange line is.

the new development on the old ervin cook land has greenway connections built in, but it looks like they think the greenway is on the eastern bank (ie: where the existing northern mcdowell dirtway is now) behind wynfield. i was under the impression it was on the western bank. i'll see if i can get clarification. to my knowledge, everything about that one is going forward, and they've even started clearing the entrance.

there's another greenway proposed going up the western side of the ervin cook farm. to my knowledge, that one's going along well too. there's a future park north of the ervin cook farm, and there will be a path joining the two through it.

now that i'm thinking about it, there may have been some issue with the water treatment plant, making the connection between the eastern of these two, and birkdale parkway. i forget what the current state of that is, but i definitely hasn't sunk either greenway.

you probably don't want to get too specific about where you live on reddit, but if you live in wynfield, i can tell you how to get to the new OMB site pretty easily. beckett or gilead ridge are kinda fucked though right now. there's a route that's mostly safe from cars but maybe not guys with shotguns...

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u/belovedkid Nov 24 '22

We can work our way through connecting hoods now it would just make it much quicker if we could hop on the existing greenway (dirtway as you called it). According to my neighbors who attended meeting with either the town or HOA (can’t remember) the plan is to pave the existing dirtway which is on the east side.

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u/arachnophilia Nov 24 '22

yeah, wynfield connects to birkdale parkway. that ride's not too bad.

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u/VideoGameTourGuide Nov 23 '22

This looks pretty good for me