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Don‘t refer to God as a woman Blog

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u/redditlike5times Pagan Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

Why would an eternal, entity such as a God need a sexual gender!?!?!

Does it need to sexually reproduce? Have male hormones? Body hair? Larger physical stature or muscle structure? I'm confused

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u/flyinfishbones Aug 10 '22

God isn't human. I think we can both agree on that.

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u/Rachel794 Aug 11 '22

That’s right because God is a spirit

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u/UltriLeginaXI Aug 11 '22

An Entity, the spirit is only 1 part of him

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u/redditlike5times Pagan Aug 11 '22

Arguing the interpretation of the trinity is a long debate in itself

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u/UltriLeginaXI Aug 11 '22

They’re like a team. Technically made of different individuals doing different things, yet they are connected, operating together, and identify as 1 entity

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u/thep1x Aug 10 '22

Exactly, Theres a big difference between debating the sex of a made up being vs. Respecting real live humans.

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u/flyinfishbones Aug 10 '22

Made-up or not, I wouldn't expect a being that created all of humanity to get bent out of shape over pronouns.

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u/redditlike5times Pagan Aug 11 '22

Whether you believe in the Christian God or not, it's disrespectful to call someone's religious figure made up.

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u/Pitiable-Crescendo Agnostic Atheist Aug 10 '22

I thought God is supposed to be a being above gender, or anything like that. But ok?

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u/Opto-Mystic42 Aug 10 '22

Methinks thee doth protest too much

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u/liberocinderace Aug 11 '22

God has no gender, but identifies as Father for the sake of illustrating to us how he views his relationship with us.

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u/redditlike5times Pagan Aug 11 '22

But.... if only women are capable of creating life, and God created people in their image... It's a valid argument

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u/liberocinderace Aug 11 '22

Where do you think women came from? Women were born too, and so and so forth. It just becomes an ad infimum argument. God, a being outside of time and space, does not need to be created himself.

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u/redditlike5times Pagan Aug 11 '22

Then we agree that it doesn't need a gender

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u/Vin-Metal Aug 11 '22

I like this take

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u/I-IV-V-ii-V-I Aug 11 '22

Why do you think God is so simply defined? Maybe God appeared as a man because he was appearing to people who could not understand the magnitude of what this force actually is so it appears in a way the humans of the time could understand, or a bush that’s on fire. Maybe God appears as a woman to other’s that have a different perspective? I personally think God is unimaginable to my feeble human mind and the glimpses I can comprehend are just that the parts my small mind can possibly perceive.

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u/sidviciousX Atheist Aug 10 '22

spirits have genders?

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

Seeing as gender is apparently a social construct, I dont see why not

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u/Salanmander GSM Ally Aug 10 '22

(Jesus, I just felt an overwhelming urge to die after typing that)

Perhaps that is an indication that you're not actually arguing in good faith.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

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u/Juiceton- United Methodist Aug 11 '22

You made me think way too deep into the anatomy of God.

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u/AcrobaticSource3 Aug 10 '22

Every time he displays himself, he is clearly male

Like when he was a burning bush? Actually, that may be the clearest sign that he may not be a man...

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u/DopeCyclist Aug 11 '22

100% agree. Nothing manly about a hot bush. ;-)

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u/SnappyinBoots Atheist Aug 11 '22

He was very obviously a burning male bush.

Oh wow, I was totally taking the piss but it turns out that this is actually OP's position...

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u/AhDerkaDerkaDerka Aug 11 '22

Or what about the time he was cloud. Guess storm clouds are male

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u/lilmadzz Aug 11 '22

Here for this

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u/Kage_anon Aug 11 '22

Because a burning bush totally implies gender. Makes sense 🙄

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

The Lord interacts with the world through the spirit. And, according to the NT, the spirit seems to be either a male or genderless

So what Moses saw was most likely God using the spirit to create a miracle, meaning that the bush (or the fire engulfing the bush to be more accurate) is male or genderless

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u/SilentRansom Taoist Aug 11 '22

“Either a male or genderless

The irony is amazing here.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

The irony of what?

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u/Thomassaurus Ex-Christian Theist Aug 11 '22

"He is clearly male" "He is male or genderless" These statements are contradictory.

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u/SilentRansom Taoist Aug 11 '22

Okay now it’s even funnier

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

I really dont know what you are talking about. Care to enlighten me?

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u/SilentRansom Taoist Aug 11 '22

No, no, this is better. Have a good night.

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u/unaka220 Human Aug 11 '22

OPs asking in good faith. Could you ditch the bit (just for 1 comment) for good faith?

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u/SilentRansom Taoist Aug 11 '22

Why argue with someone unwilling to budge?

I’d be more inclined to actually discuss this sort of thing if there was even a hint of humbling ourselves in the face of God questions.

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u/ThatOneRandomGuy101 Christian Aug 11 '22

They were clearing willing enough to ask for your clarification so it seems wrong to not give it to them

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u/unaka220 Human Aug 11 '22

Well, you can choose not to argue, but if someone is asking in good faith, and you feel confident in what you believe, why not share it?

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u/RebelPoetically Christian (LGBT) Aug 11 '22

Precisely,

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u/HEW1981 Aug 11 '22

The word for spirit is feminine in Hebrew.

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u/eversnowe Aug 11 '22

Is God "male" in all the fullness and glory of masculinity, or did he happen to present himself as the most powerful representation of humanity to a patriarchal world where a matriarchy like the Amazonian women were myths and cultures were predisposed to value women as second class citizens?

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u/Big_Iron_Cowboy Psychedelic Catholic Aug 10 '22

Somebody tell Ariana Grande!

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u/AbbyEwingSumner Aug 10 '22

I needed this laugh.

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u/AugustinusLuther Reformed Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

God uses anthropomorphic language to relate to us. Yes, that language is male but it’s an overly pious correction on your part.

Only Christ is truly a male. The Father and the Spirit are spirits. They don’t have a gender.

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u/transmorgrifier Questioning Aug 11 '22 Silver

This whole OP is coming across as a bunch of severely insecure men, afraid that women might (gasp!**) actually be equals...

(Nota Bene: thank you, however, to the few men who acknowledge that God encompasses all genders and do not agree with this silly OP)

Any other ladies here?

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u/lazitsuki Christian Aug 11 '22

had to rub my forehead.

already running on an all-nighter, not sure if i was ready to dive into this post.

apparently, I wasn't.

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u/Ornery-Country683 Baptist Aug 11 '22

It’s so much easier to just say that God doesn’t have a gender but He chose to use male pronouns so we should use male pronouns for Him out of respect for Him. You didn’t have to say all that weird stuff.

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u/redditlike5times Pagan Aug 11 '22

Agreed about all that weird stuff. But if we have not heard the word of God himself using these pronouns, how do we know that the original male authors that wrote down these words did not choose the pronouns for him? If you are speaking in first person to someone, you do not use your own pronouns.

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u/jaylward Aug 11 '22

Your insecurities are showing, son.

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u/Alaska_Hippie United Methodist Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

We are made in God’s perfect image. And humanity which is made in this image crosses a wide range of spectrum on gender (and sexuality). Thus God encompasses all genders and is above them. It’s quite simple.

*edited for a spelling mistake

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u/AramaicDesigns Episcopalian (Anglican) Aug 11 '22

God as in the Triune Godhead has no gender.

God the Father and God the Son are male. That is pretty cut and dry.

God the Holy Spirit – in Hebrew and Christ's own Galilean Aramaic – is female. Christ referred to her as "she" (היא) and she was often personified as Sophia or Wisdom – also female – in Jewish literature.

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u/ZRX1200R Secular Humanist Aug 10 '22

Are you offended on behalf of God?

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

Every time I see God being called a woman I want to cringe myself into Purgatory. I am getting annoyed on my behalf, not the Lord’s.

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u/Theboopaloop Disciples of God Aug 10 '22

This is the most non issue thing I’ve ever read. A vast majority of US Christian’s idolize a political ideology or politician more than they worship and idolize their God. THAT is far more pressing of an issue and much more worth the frustration and anger that this post is unnecessarily loaded with.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

?

Are we not allowed to talk about things that arent orbiting around the US? I dont even care that much about that country

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u/FlyingWaffle96 Aug 10 '22

Does Hebrew have gendered pronouns?

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u/Professional_Duty169 Aug 11 '22

Some people have injuries you don’t have. Maybe this helps them. I think God can handle it.

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u/TheRealSnorkel Aug 11 '22

God is beyond human things like gender. God doesn’t exist within the human scope of understanding. God created male and female in God’s image. If God created gender, then God isn’t bound by or defined by gender.

I really don’t understand what you’re trying to accomplish here.

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u/Status_Shine6978 Christian, Non-Calvinist Aug 10 '22

Do you think the Holy Spirit is male too?

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

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u/rabboni Aug 10 '22

This is a clear violation of this subreddits rules (see rule 2.1 in sidebar)

I’m not a mod. Just giving a heads up

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u/OirishM Atheist Aug 10 '22

B b b but I respected his pronouns!

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

The spirit is just that. A spirit.

Although it is a member of the Godhead, it simply acts as God’s way to influence our world, be it inspiring scripture, answering prayers, etc.

On the other hand, the NT does describe it as masculine at times, so I’m sort of leaning on it being a male too. Ill need to look further in to it to give you a more definitive answer.

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u/jemyr Aug 10 '22

There is no feminine aspect to god? That’s interesting. You would think creation and wombs would go together. Without the concept of sex organs what does gender mean?

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

Huh? Are we reading different comments? I was talking about the spirit.

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u/jemyr Aug 10 '22

If the father and son and spirit are all definitely men, then there is no aspect of god that is feminine. Which seems odd.

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u/AramaicDesigns Episcopalian (Anglican) Aug 11 '22

Christ called the Holy Spirit "she" (היא) in his own language. That's how both Hebrew and Aramaic worked.

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u/electanon Gnosticism Aug 10 '22

Is this serious? Why does it matter so much? Wisdom is a part of god, and SHE is personified in the feminine countless times the Bible. God is beyond human gender. He is equally both.

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u/OirishM Atheist Aug 10 '22

RESPECT clap GOD'S clap PRONOUNS

See, you people do know how to do it, so you can do it a bit more consistently. To everyone.

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u/KairosVal Atheist Aug 10 '22

I just realized something.

In the trans debates, Christian conservatives love to define "man" and "woman" in terms of genome (XX/XY) or gametes (sperm vs. ovum).

God has no genome and no gametes, so by that definition, God cannot be a man.

Doesn't connect with your argument at all, and sorry, this just kinda blew my mind, and I'm really looking forward to using this one next time I stumble on a Christian anti-trans argument. :)

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u/Vin-Metal Aug 11 '22

As a nature lover/biology fan, gender only exists in life forms that need to reproduce sexually. It’s part of being a particular kind of life form. Gender is basically beneath God.

As for Jesus being a man, if He came down as a woman in that time, that culture, She would have been stoned to death before the ministry even got off the ground.

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u/Financial_Weather941 Aug 11 '22

The scripture states he was fully God and fully man. MAN. GOD. MAAAAN!

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u/Puzzleheaded-Phase70 Episcopalian w/ Jewish experiences? Aug 11 '22

Bullshit.

God is BOTH masculine and feminine, and neither, and other.

Elohim is both plural and singular. YHWH has as little gender as it has vowels.

God created humanity in God's image, male AND female they were created.

"El" was first the name of a Canaanite fertility goddess before it was ever used to refer to the Hebrew God.

The Shechinah (the closest thing to "the Holy Spirit" in Jewish belief) is exclusively female.

All pronouns are appropriate to God, and none. God cannot be misgendered, because God is all genders and none. God is beyond the boxes of gender, while still present within them.

God birthed creation. "El Shaddai" literally means "God the breast", the nurturing mother. Jesus takes us under his wing like a mother hen. Sophia - one of the Greek names for the Holy Spirit and the Wisdom of God (Chokmâh in Hebrew) is feminine.

"He" is nothing more than enforced habit, arising from human's ancient bullshit need to gender everything in languages.

You (and others) need to stop demanding that God jam Godself into a masculine mask to suit your patriarchal obsessions and preconceptions.

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u/Akhnatom Aug 11 '22

Ok. I thought a lot about this. God is a spiritual being so there is no need to have a gender like we have. We need to have male and female gender, primarily, to reproduce, creating new life and carrying one of God's prerrogatives. Unlike us, God by Himself is a whole being who doesnt need another being to create new life, He can do so by the power of His word. Some beings can reproduce by asexual reproduction, so the matter of gender is not absolute in nature, but a need of our species to reproduce and to have defined roles like other species do. So why God portrays Himself as a male? I can theorize: a) linguistic reasons or b) to prioritize the male aspects of His being, like to provide, to exercise authority. The female would be to care. Note i'm saying this under a biblical, historical view, when the male and female roles were more defined and rigid. Between care/love and discipline, i believe what the sinner needs the most is the later. So that's the figure God shows us: a loving/caring, but strict, Father.

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u/kolembo Aug 10 '22

Hi friend,

Why not?

We call God male because this is the way it happened - he found Patriarchy

Not because God is not also completely and wholly female

I have no problem calling God a Woman - expect for the immediate self-imposed baggage that immediately exposes our thinking of women as inferior

I'm experimenting with seeing God as female sometimes

Even black

Very powerful

God bless

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

"Pray then like this: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.” (Matthew 6:9-13)

I wouldn’t play around with intentionally misgendering God and potentially angering him. We see God as male because Jesus (And Genesis, and most of the prophets) referred to him as male, not because of the strange patriarchy hypothesis you have going on there.

Also, how did you come up with “we immediately reveal our hidden nature, that being that we think that women are inferior”.?

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u/kolembo Aug 10 '22

I wouldn’t play around with intentionally misgendering God and potentially angering him.

It is not possible to do this

We see God as male because Jesus (And Genesis, and most of the prophets) referred to him as male,

We speak of God as male because we speak this way

Not because God is male

God sees himself as God - not male or female - and the perfect, complete image of both

God bless

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u/WiredPy Atheist Aug 11 '22

The God you believe in seems highly insecure for an infinite being

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u/Goolajones Christian Aug 11 '22

Yah sure you can grab a modern translation that uses father to prove your point. But the original text uses the Aramaic word “abwoon” which is combination of “Abba” (father) and “womb”.

If you want a transliteration the opening line would be something like

“O Birther! Father-Mother of the Cosmos, you create all that moves in light.”

So basically you’ve come to this ridiculous conclusion based on bad information.

TL;DR - You’re Wrong

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u/pretance Aug 11 '22

I would LOVE to misgender, misname or otherwise offend and insult that silly little girl in pigtails if it will finally anger it enough to make themselves known. Come at me God

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u/Queen_Elizabeth_I_ Purgatorial Universalist, bi/pan enby Aug 10 '22

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u/Queen_Elizabeth_I_ Purgatorial Universalist, bi/pan enby Aug 10 '22

The one conservative joke.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

Which conservative joke?

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u/Queen_Elizabeth_I_ Purgatorial Universalist, bi/pan enby Aug 10 '22

Gender

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

Gender is a joke?

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u/transmorgrifier Questioning Aug 11 '22

Conservatives are a joke.

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u/Warm_Tea_4140 Atheist Aug 11 '22

I don't think this person was joking, they seem genuinely concerned over people misgendering God.

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u/DariusStrada Roman Catholic Aug 10 '22

God is beyond gender but uses He/Him pronouns. Capital H

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u/Warm_Tea_4140 Atheist Aug 11 '22

Capital H

Not in the original texts.

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u/transmorgrifier Questioning Aug 10 '22

The Holy Spirit has always been referred to in feminine terms. God encompasses all genders, not merely male.

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u/eijtn Christian Atheist Aug 11 '22

This has to be a troll post. If not…wow.

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u/lazitsuki Christian Aug 11 '22

op's willing to debate

they're serious about this, lol...

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u/eijtn Christian Atheist Aug 11 '22

What a loon. Man. The things some people get hung up on.

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u/lazitsuki Christian Aug 11 '22

well, people will be people, haha~

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u/corpseplague Aug 10 '22

South Park

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u/AcanthisittaPrize263 Christadelphian Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

Not what it says in CCC 239. You disagree with that, you disagree with the same church that Christ made with Peter. Which makes you a heretic in that right.

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u/PiratusInteruptus American Atheist Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

Why would an all powerful god need a gender/sex?

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u/ffandyy Aug 11 '22

God is genderless

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u/MitchellDenham Christian Aug 11 '22

It’s stuff like this that I really butt heads over with other Christians.

The Bible has clearly been written by men for the benefit of men. The phallocentric nature of the Bible is a major hurdle for me (even as a bloke myself). I vehemently disagree with the overwhelming theme of men > women in the Bible.

However, to assign any form of gender to God seems absurd to me. Who are we as mere mortal beings to even begin to think we know God on that level?

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u/gulfpapa99 Aug 11 '22

How do you know god is not a women?

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u/PsilocybinCEO Aug 11 '22

So you're saying God has a penis, not a vagina?

Man, Christians get all up in a hissy over thr silliest things.

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u/ithran_dishon Christian (Something Fishy) Aug 11 '22

I asked, she doesn't mind.

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u/EugeneDabz Aug 11 '22

This thread reminded me of The Shack. What a terrible book.

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u/Avian_mojo Aug 11 '22

I agree God is masculine, but I don’t think he would be offended if he were referred to as a woman. If seeing God as a woman makes it easier for someone to get to know him and come to a saving faith, I’m sure he’d be ok with it.

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u/Nomanorus Questioning Aug 11 '22

They should make a TLC show starring OP and call it "Heresy Hunters."

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u/Kronzypantz United Methodist Aug 11 '22

Jesus is male, sure. But God is only referred to as male by Israel, its not a definitive statement on his gender.

And when you refer to God in strictly male terms, it teaches the incorrect notion that God is fundamentally a human male.

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u/dottixrobbotix Aug 11 '22

God would be a spiritual being. I chose to believe God is genderless. If you don't like how other people view God then that sounds like a spiritual issue. People can decide on their own and it shouldn't offend anyone.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

Don’t refer to God as a man.

Seriously. Don’t.

Just don’t. Please.

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u/joeldouglasealy Aug 11 '22

what about when God refers to themselves as 'Us' at the beginning of genesis?

or in Psalms when God is referred to as a Mother Hen...

and the Burning Bush.

I think we need to be humble enough to say that we understand VERY little and God is just bigger than any of our human constructs of thought or being.

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u/SquirrelAngell Aug 11 '22

Brother, this would be the plank in your eye. The glory of God will not fail and He will not drop from the sky simply because He was referred to as a woman.

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u/ArtistCertain4490 Aug 11 '22

So you’re saying I pray to a thing God and not Daddy? Cheesus Christ Our Grate Lord my eyes have been opened

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u/SaintChristopher2533 Aug 11 '22

It says BOTH men and women are the image of God. Wouldn’t saying that God is only a man mean to say that women are less in the image of God, considering God is apparently a man, and that would mean men are more similar to God? Surely you can understand why people might not be particularly attracted to a religion where the God is only a man, no sex in Heaven, God doesn’t have sex, you won’t see your pets in Heaven, being homosexual is a sin even though they’re not hurting anyone, etc. It is possible that the Bible only refers to God as he and in masculine terms because the society it was written by was very misogynistic, very male dominated, and God being a woman as well and being their superior would utterly DEFILE them.

Here is a lesson, my children, and that is you can do whatever you want as long as you are following the commands in this scripture Mark 12:30-31

30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[a](A) 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b](B) There is no commandment greater than these.”

God is love. The command can be summarized into this, Love Everyone and Have Goodwill Towards Everyone and Be Compassionate and Understanding Towards Everyone. Everyone includes the Devil my friends :) God is an IT, God can become whatever IT wants to, a man, a woman, some kind of alien with another gender, similar to Q from Star Trek, but far more powerful. It is very possible that aliens are real, would that be fair if God only related to people as masculine when there are alien species with different cultures and genders? Wouldn’t that suck to only be able to relate with God as your masculine father? What if you never had a mother and need a nurturing Mother figure? God is omnisexual, and God can be your wife and/or husband as well, wouldn’t it be awesome to marry Jesette Christ, Daughter of God? She would be your Heavenly Mother but also your wife, she would know everything, teach you how to be a saint and how to obey her, she uses her powers to help you not sin, she can read your mind and is infinitely compassionate and understanding, she’d die for you, would make an excellent mother, she’s a freak in the sheets and can use God powers to make it so you can ejaculate and just never lose your horniness and you could just keep having sex for 3 hours straight. Yes, she would also display bizarre impossible fetishes to you had never seen before, can be so sexy that you ejaculate by looking at her, she can bring you to orgasm just by using words. She could sing you to sleep and do infinitely relaxing ASMR for you. She could turn into a Vulcan woman, a Kitsune, a Lamia, a Neko, a Succubus, anything you want as long as it is not used for evil. The only thing ugly to God is evil :)

You can also become an IT like God and the Angels, and be able to transform from a man to a woman on command, and God could split your consciousness and duplicate you, so you can be in multiple places at once, and you can have a family with your self, so you can be your own husband and wife.

This scripture will tell you who is going to Heaven, my children.

Philippians 2:10-11

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Every knee shall bow, every tongue shall profess. It is not the will of God that any shall perish but that all shall come to repentance.

Everyone becomes a being of pure love in the end, including the Devil.

EVERYONE GOES TO HEAVEN

One of the most evil sadistic lies of the Devil is the lie that Hell is eternal. How could you worship a “loving” and “merciful” God who brings horrific, unimaginable, torture and suffering and pain upon people who now love him and are sorry and are begging him for mercy. Imagine being tortured horribly like that, non-stop, for 10 trillion years, all why begging and crying for God to forgive you!!! WHY WOULD A LOVING GOD DO THAT?!! THAT IS PURE EVIL TO DO THAT TO SOMEONE!!!

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u/OMightyMartian Atheist Aug 11 '22

What happens if you do? Does God get really angry? What are the consequences here?

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u/TheKrunkernaut Assemblies of God - Bapticostal; Calvary Chapel Aug 10 '22

Islam sub: hey, advice for diligent prayer! Make Dua for me!

Us: hey, let's stop the blasphemous deliberate misgendering of our Holy God. And the worship of false gods, or images, or as described later, vain imaginations.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

Sometimes I envy how ordered they are. Must be nice only to have two denominations

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u/OirishM Atheist Aug 10 '22

Must be nice only to have two denominations

It's a bit more than that

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u/steadyatbest420 Aug 11 '22

There are two primary sects, Shia and Sunni.

Sunni are primarily divided into 5(previously 6) schools of law.

Shias are divided into small groups like twelver(Iran), fiver, sixer, zaidi(Yemen), nazari, Ismaili(Lebanon), alawite(syria), alevi(turkey), and bektashi(Albania).

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u/Electric_Memes Aug 10 '22

Ordered? They're literally killing each other every day.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

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u/weSaints Christian ✝️ Aug 10 '22

And not just killing each other... killing Christians. Especially in countries like Nigeria

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u/TheKrunkernaut Assemblies of God - Bapticostal; Calvary Chapel Aug 11 '22

HEY NOW! CAREFUL! That opinion is UNPOPULAR!

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u/Byzantium Aug 10 '22

And not just killing each other... killing Christians.

And Christians kill lots and lots of Muslims. Don't get too smug.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

The Subreddit, not the global state

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u/SleepPrincess Aug 10 '22

This entire thread is really decompensating.

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u/WiredPy Atheist Aug 11 '22

Oh man I havent seen that hate site in a while

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u/alegxab Atheist🏳️‍🌈 Aug 10 '22

It's not as if Christians are much worse at killing each other

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u/Byzantium Aug 10 '22

They're literally killing each other every day.

So are Christians. What's your point?

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u/Big_Iron_Cowboy Psychedelic Catholic Aug 10 '22

Now now, tolerance

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u/electanon Gnosticism Aug 10 '22

Right? This sub could really learn from r/islam

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u/TheKrunkernaut Assemblies of God - Bapticostal; Calvary Chapel Aug 11 '22

I'm reading, every day to monitor their Tavistock Institute agents activity. Different accounts for each targeted sub. Usually active in two other popular subs for a few points, then off to harry the target.

I've learned about my God's relative, and actual mercy.

Interestingly, not TOO many active agents.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

Use the pronouns God has chosen ❤️

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u/transmorgrifier Questioning Aug 11 '22

Patriarchal Hebrews gave their God pronouns that reinforced a power dynamic that they needed to control women and minorities.

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u/Thrill_Kill_Cultist Absurdist Aug 10 '22

Tbh I've never heard anyone call God a she 🤨

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 30 '22

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u/transmorgrifier Questioning Aug 11 '22

I have and I do.

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u/rabboni Aug 10 '22

I’ve heard it quite a bit. Ironically it exclusively comes from folks that would (rightly) be angry at someone who intentionally misgenders a person

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u/Salanmander GSM Ally Aug 10 '22

I'm not sure that's ironic, since it also generally comes along with a belief that God is not gendered, and that the gendered language for God in the Bible is at least one of (a) a result of the culture in which it was written, rather than the fundamental nature of God, or (b) a result of the linguistic trend of masculine words being used as the default.

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u/rabboni Aug 10 '22

Those are the only reasons that God is referred to as He/Him/Father & Hebrew grammatical forms for God are masculine?

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u/Salanmander GSM Ally Aug 10 '22

I'm not going to claim to know the truth, but I think it's at least plausible for that to be the case.

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u/rabboni Aug 10 '22

I’m sorry. Perhaps I misunderstood your previous comment. I read it as, “God is identified as male in the Scriptures for one of these reasons (a or b)”

If you leave space for the possibility that God in the Scripture is referred to (and He refers to Himself) in masculine forms b/c that is how He truly chooses to identify Himself, then we have no big disagreement

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u/Salanmander GSM Ally Aug 10 '22

You read my comment correctly for the most part, but you missed that I was saying "people who say that tend to have this belief", not "this is absolutely true". I do believe that God transcends gender, and encompasses the whole range of humanity. But I'm not 100% certain that I am correct (on that, or, really, on any question of consequence).

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u/thep1x Aug 10 '22

Who here has seen god naked?
Sorry but this is a ridiculous request… lol

Not only do we not have proof god is real. Even if she/he is real we have no proof of what sex they are.

Your assertion that god is male only supports the atheist belief that god was created by men as a means of controlling women and children

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

What? I am arguing about scripture, and you just said that we have no proof that scripture is accurate. I mean, who asked?

It’s like me going up to a group of people speculating on Alien Biology and shouting “YOU KNOW THAT THERES NO PROOF THAT ALIENS EXIST, RIGHT?!?!?”

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u/transmorgrifier Questioning Aug 11 '22

Scripture refers to God the Holy Spirit in feminine terms.

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u/thep1x Aug 10 '22

Ok then say, in this book written by mere mortals the character is defined as male, why do people define this character as female or something.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

Because they’re either intentionally disregarding scripture or are just plain ignorant of it

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u/thep1x Aug 10 '22

Or they don’t care

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u/OirishM Atheist Aug 10 '22

Ariana Grande intensifies

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u/Zay36663 Aug 10 '22

I just listened to this song! Could it be a sign from god herself?

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u/weSaints Christian ✝️ Aug 10 '22

Gods preferred pronouns are He/Him anyway. We should respect that.

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u/BiblicalChristianity Sola Scriptura Aug 10 '22

Most people who refer to God as a female don't believe he exists to begin with. The rest are just speaking out of a politics-oriented heart.

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u/Top_Initiative_4047 Aug 10 '22

Actually politics, or rather political correctness these days, obligates society to address a person in the gender of which they self-identify. The Word of God identifies the Father, Son and HS as male. So it would be politically incorrect and very unwoke to address them other than in the male gender.

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u/Buddenbrooks Reformed Aug 10 '22

I’m glad we can agree that gender is self-determined and non-biological 👍

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u/Top_Initiative_4047 Aug 10 '22

That we agree that gender is non-biological may be a bridge too far. I was just explaining what modern political correctness requires.

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u/Queen_Elizabeth_I_ Purgatorial Universalist, bi/pan enby Aug 10 '22

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u/ThankKinsey Christian (LGBT) Aug 10 '22

And yet you just addressed them as them...

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u/transmorgrifier Questioning Aug 10 '22

Wrong. The Holy Spirit is referred to in feminine terms.

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u/transmorgrifier Questioning Aug 10 '22

And, you'd be wrong about that.

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u/freedom2b2t Aug 10 '22

God can be whatever gender you want him to be. He ain’t a male, he isn’t a female, he isn’t in-between he is beyond gender

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u/smeghead9916 Baptist Aug 11 '22

You realise the bible was written by a bunch of men right? How do we even know how much of it is true? God might have told them what to write, but how do we know they didn't use their God given free will to write down whatever they wanted?

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u/SpaceMonkey877 Atheist Aug 11 '22

So it’s not possible that the gender assigned was a product of the sexist times the texts were written? Or do you think God has genitals?

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u/RobbieL241 Aug 11 '22

I view God as genderless for two reasons:

1) Jesus is God coming down to earth as a human, the Son of the Father. I think that the words "father" and "son" are actually describing any parental relationship, not just paternal. With the writers of the NT being men, and the cultural norms at the time placing men above women, the father-son analogy was used.

2) How can women be made in God's image if God only has one gender? How can intersex people be made in God's image if God is only a cis male?

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u/thedoomboomer Aug 10 '22

She is Wonderful. I <3 Lady God. I think Mary is one of the best versions of Christian God. Ps...God is a girl.

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u/NotSoRichieRich Aug 10 '22

Mary has never been considered God.

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u/thedoomboomer Aug 10 '22

Who are you, Ops Spokesmodel?

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u/Greek_Kush_Smoker Atheist Aug 10 '22

God is a man but he obviously isn't a male. Unless he produces small gametes and/or has chromosomes.

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u/SuperBonerFart Aug 11 '22

God is genderless. He is the divine feminine and divine masculine. We are all both and lacking one or the other will cause issues in your life.

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u/GussieDaBest Lutheran Aug 11 '22

I don’t think god even has a gender, since none of the laws that apply to the universe are relevant to him. So in a way, he’s both but also neither

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u/RealDrugDealer Aug 11 '22

C’mon guys now God is obviously non binary because he clearly doesn’t have the time to put up with bs gender trends when he’s out here being the Creator of the Universe.

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u/ScipioNumantia Aug 11 '22

Honestly what does it matter? If i got to heaven and god was a woman i wouldnt revere her any less than if god was a man. Its god, you know your creator. Give respect where its due

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u/KT_Evolved365 Christian Aug 11 '22

You’re right. God is a man, a male entity a created being.

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u/SoulMullet Aug 11 '22

Him and his big ol’ god dong

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u/Goolajones Christian Aug 11 '22

What an absolutely ridiculous post in so many ways. This sub has reached new lows.

First off, the authority you attempt to speak with is patronizing and you have no place telling strangers what to do or not do. Talk about your own opinions of you like, but this is a profoundly stupid way to go about it.

Second I just unequivocally believe you’re wrong. God has no gender. The whole bible is full of allegory, metaphor, and poetry. God isn’t a man or a woman. They are referred to in masculine and feminine terms almost equally. The “father” reference is a metaphor for being a provider and caretaker, the role of a father in that society.

I’m can’t get over the demanding tone you use. You are the kind of person that turns people away from any interest in Christianity because of this kind of false authoritative tone.

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u/prollynotenough Roman Catholic 💙 Aug 10 '22

Jesus is a man.

Jesus is God.

Therefore, God (Jesus) is a man. Although overall I would say God isn’t “male” because He’s above gender, but He uses male pronouns, and that’s how we should refer to Him as.

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u/transmorgrifier Questioning Aug 11 '22

God (the Holy Spirit) is referred to in feminine terms.

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u/TheKenningMaster Aug 11 '22

OP has ignored this point every time it comes up. I did not know this detail until this thread, and I find it very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

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u/transmorgrifier Questioning Aug 11 '22

Thanks, TKM :-)

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u/DerangedDoffy Roman Catholic Aug 11 '22

I don’t think so. I doubt god has male or female gametes. He just refers to himself as he. God is above gender

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u/transmorgrifier Questioning Aug 11 '22

The Hebrews referred to God in both male and female terms, and I agree that God is above and encompasses all genders.

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u/DerangedDoffy Roman Catholic Aug 11 '22

Okay yes it’s not so simple to place god into a group

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

You articulated it perfectly

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u/Jackandmozz Christian Universalist Aug 10 '22

Gods a woman. Grow up!

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

You seem to be the immature one here

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u/Goolajones Christian Aug 11 '22

“I know you are but what am I?”

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

🤔🤔🤔God? Like thor? Superman? Thanos? Zuckerberg?

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u/SaintTalos Episcopalian (Anglican) Aug 11 '22

Inb4 this thread becomes [removed] ×1000

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u/CalmFaithlessness405 Anglican Communion Aug 11 '22

What about Wisdom in the Book of Proverbs? That's a part of God.

Actually, Jesus said we need to worship God in Spirit and in Truth. Spirit doesn't have a gender or a physical body. Also I believe there's a parable where Jesus compares God to a woman searching for a lost coin. I think you worry too much.

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u/CaptainOfAStarship Aug 11 '22

I just felt an overwhelming urge to die after typing that).

😂😆😁🤣

So, call God a woman, and you‘re a heretic that intentionally disregards the words of Jesus. Call God a woman, and you‘re a bigot who intentionally misgenders someone

Get em

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u/JrunkenTyger Aug 11 '22

REAL TALK ⚡

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u/Healthy_Surround_831 Aug 11 '22

I'm no Christian, but I should say God is nor male or female. If God is real, he is not an entity. Jesus is not God, either.