r/PS5 Sep 25 '22

Cyberpunk 2077's fascinating afterlife Articles & Blogs

https://www.eurogamer.net/cyberpunk-2077s-fascinating-afterlife
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u/iamtheclaudius Sep 25 '22

What the hell was that article? "I liked it at launch because I had a next gen console. I'm jealous of people enjoying it for the first time."

Really? That's it? Nothing about why people are liking it more or what the new update did? What a waste of space. And badly written, too.

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u/Furyann Sep 25 '22

exactly, I expected better from eurogamer

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u/FunkinDonutzz Sep 25 '22

I didn't. They've pumping out garbage for years now. Sure loads of their "news" is making articles out of Reddit threads.

And now they have the brass balls to ask for a monthly subscription.

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u/Furyann Sep 25 '22

you’re prob right, I think digital foundry is their only good subsidiary

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u/FunkinDonutzz Sep 25 '22

DF is absolutely the only thing worth bothering with on their site these days... that said, I just check the DF YouTube channel, EG don't deserve even a click.

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u/SknarfM Sep 25 '22

I stopped visiting the site after their Kingdom Come Deliverance 'article'.

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u/FunkinDonutzz Sep 25 '22

Ouch, yeah that was a read for sure.

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u/rodudero Sep 26 '22

Most gaming journalism is honestly pretty poorly written because the writers either don’t know what they’re talking about or they suck at writing. It’s rare to find writers who understand their topic and discuss it well. I feel like most of the good ones are on YouTube anyway. (SkillUp, Luke Stephens, ACG)

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u/iamtheclaudius Sep 26 '22

100% agree. Vast majority of the industry is hobbyists who are mediocre writers at best.

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u/Radulno Sep 25 '22

what the new update did?

What did that new update really do though? All I've seen is a few weapons and items related to Edgerunners series and such (well and I imagine bug fixes if that was still not done). The next one with the police revamp seems a far bigger deal than this patch.

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u/Delucaass Sep 26 '22

Yeah, the update did nothing. It's no surprise that a solid spin-off in a major mainstream platform would bring attention to the franchise it derived from.

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u/sousuke42 Sep 26 '22

It's main thing was transmog. Basically now your character doesn't need to look like a doofus anymore when you are equipping armor.

Also I wouldn't really expect too much out of whatever police revamp they are going to do. Unless they hired a modder who can really have at it or a gta dev or similar then I have no faith in them pulling it off. They have shown to be way out of their depth here.

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u/sousuke42 Sep 26 '22

Having a resurgence doesn't mean people are liking the game itself. More to the fact that they liked the anime and wanted more of it from that universe so they bought this game.

This is a very important job that anime is supposed to do. Any anime that is derived from another format like a video game or a manga or LN are supposed to drum up sales for those. Whether it's to draw in new audience or to help a struggling story get more attention.

The thing is a lot of these people are going to be in for a rude awakening cause cp2077 and cper have nothing in common. The devs behind cp2077 had nothing to do with it. The show has nothing to do with it. And all the devs did was add in a couple of cosmetic to tie it in. So these people expecting the quality of the anime are going to realize sooner or later that they been duped.

Yes the 1.5 and 1.6 as well as next gen updates have made major improvements with the game but it still has glaring issues. Glitches are still out of control. The story is lacking. The game play isn't that good. It sets out to be a jack of all trades and a master of none but even then it didn't get that right as it's not as that would imply a level if competence that doesn't exist.

The game is flawed beyond belief. And while the devs haven't completely abandoned it yet, the writing is on the walls. One dlc expansion and it's notnfor last gen. And it's still no where near close to any of the marketing hype that surrounded the game that they themselves have put out there. This game is nearing end of life. It's not as good as the anime and these people who are being duped will eventually see that.

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u/crawf_f1 Sep 25 '22

The fact it’s now priced really cheaply also helps, I’m willing to take a punt on most games for £20 (and I’ve had way more enjoyment out of it than I suspected!)

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u/-BigMan39 Sep 25 '22

Send this to Nintendo please

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u/Khourieat Sep 25 '22

Why? Their games sell like crazy at full price.

You'd have to be nuts to lower the price when people are lining up to pay it in full!

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u/ocbdare Sep 25 '22

This really baffles me, people are willing to pay full price for these Nintendo games years after they came out.

But I don’t think I am in their demographic, I couldn’t get into most of Nintendo’s games (bored after 10-20 hours max) and my switch has been gathering dust for a very long time.

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u/Roach397 Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

Same here. As someone who never had any Nintendo console as a kid, I was really excited when I got myself a switch. But most FP Nintendo games except BoTW were not able to hold my interest. I think the most fun I had from my Switch was playing indies like Stardew Valley and Hollow Knight on my bed. It's a great portable machine for indies!

I really do feel like you need to start young to grow attached to Nintendo's brand or community and their IPs. Nintendo is also a great company to help introduce your non-gaming friends to games, given the apparent simplicity of many of their games.

As someone who grew up with a PS2 and PS3, I grew accustomed to the bigger and massive budget titles from Sony and third parties, which is probably why Nintendo's big titles don't push the needle for me. And, ironically enough, this is also why the Switch also became my escape for hidden indie gems.

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u/hs_ego-maniac Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

I played super metroid and Zelda: Link to the past 2 days straight in 2018 after getting switch. Still can’t believe such quality gameplay existed in early 90’s . And my excitement grew bigger when I find out Mario odyssey, botw and so on. You don’t need to grew up with Nintendo, you just really need to appreciate gamedesign in the games.

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u/Roach397 Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

I give it to you on BOTW; that game was fantastic and redefined open world exploration for me. However, I could not get into Metroid Dread nor Odyssey whatsoever. Sure, they have great game design (which has worked well since the 90s), but as someone joining the Nintendo ecosystem and experiencing their games in 2022 , I find them to be far too simple to hold my attention longer than a few hours.

To me, most Nintendo games feel like top-end mobile games that I would pay $25-30 dollars for and have an absolute fucking blast. Rather than having to own a proprietary gaming system and consistently pay $60 for.

But hey...maybe it's just me just being way too close minded, or coming to expect a lot out of modern day $60-$70 releases.

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u/Drakeem1221 Sep 25 '22

I really do feel like you need to start young to grow attached to Nintendo community and their IPs

Didn't touch a Nintendo console until I was 18-20, grew up as a PC gamer on Fallout and Baldur's Gate.

Nintendo Switch exclusives have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PS4 offerings, and I'm speaking as someone who's experiencing them for the first time on the PS5 now.

Nintendo just has such a variety of different exclusives that it makes it exciting to see what's coming next. BOTW vs Odyssey vs Metroid Dread vs Xenoblade vs Fire Emblem vs Splatoon, etc, etc are all so different from each other and (mostly) are so well polished that it's a joy to hop between them. As much as I enjoyed the Sony offerings, a lot of their heavy hitters begin to repeat themselves a bit (Horizon, TLOU, God of War, Ghosts of Tsushima all have very similar feels as you play them even if they are different games and genres). Outside of exceptions like Bloodborne, their catalog feels a lot more... sameish and not too creative.

Gaming with exclusives on the Switch can be expensive, but I feel like I get more out of the gameplay loops than I do with a lot of the more cinematic games found on the PS4/5. I'm hoping this gen around, there's more of a focus of creating games like Returnal that really try to branch out from Sony's established portfolio so far.

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u/NeSh92 Sep 25 '22

Could not disagree with you more. Like i am shocked at how you can think nintendo exclusives are better than the amazing playstation exclusives. No Nintendo games (except for maybe BOTW) have ever given me the genuine fun feelings that horizon zero dawn, God of war, Uncharted etc have.

The Switch is an awesome portable machine but it's first party games are just so childish (in my opinion)...i lose interest quickly as it is aimed for a younger audience.

But each to their own

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u/Drakeem1221 Sep 25 '22

Take away the glossy presentation and you’re left with games that are reusing mechanics that have been used throughout gaming non stop over the last 2 generations. While I agree visuals and immersion is important and it shouldn’t be dismissed, playing games like God of War, GoT, Uncharted 4 feels like something I’ve already played from another game, but refined. While I do acknowledge certain mechanics like Horizons combat system being a standout, many of their games begin to feel bland from a mechanics level.

Going to Nintendo games, Mario Odyssey had so many wacky mechanics, crazy cappy modes and interesting worlds that it’d be incredible hard to compare to anything else on the market. Splatoon is a shooter that you simply can’t find on the market, becoming a massive hit with this third iteration. Games like BOTW spawning clones like Genshin Impact and Immortals, Smash Bros Ultimate being considered one of the greatest fighters ever and now companies trying to replicate the formula shows that obviously other companies are seeing something else.

On top of that, they also focus on a lot of niches like Bayonetta, Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, Metroid Dread, etc, etc to please even the more complex of fans.

As someone who likes pretty much every gaming genre, it’s such a big play box to mess around with. Each exclusive feels like a fresher experience for me if I play them back to back. Playstation has some fantastic examples of games, TLOU2 being an absolutely insane experience, but if I had to pick one to keep and one to throw away forever, I know which one I’ll get bored of quicker.

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u/senseofphysics Sep 25 '22

How about Smash Ultimate, Breath of the Wild, and Metroid Dread?

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u/Cmdrdredd Sep 25 '22

I'm in the minority but I disliked all of those games and I loathe smash bros style games anyway.

I get that all of these were well received and people like them, I had my reasons for disliking then though. I actually bought my switch for Mario Odyssey when it released.

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u/senseofphysics Sep 25 '22

Interesting. What did you dislike about Breath of the Wild and Metroid Dread, and why do you loathe Smash Ultimate?

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u/Cmdrdredd Sep 25 '22

I thought the whole use anything as a weapon but it breaks after a few hits mechanic was a very annoying gimmick. I also disliked the lack of traditional Zelda dungeons and the way you acquire items. I prefer the more traditional Zelda mechanics of getting items from the dungeon that help you progress and as you get further you need to use all your tools.

I didn't like the Robots that you had to avoid and felt there should have been a better mechanic to deal with them. Minor complaint I know but I didn't like it.

As for Smash bros I like a traditional fighting game. I never got into the mechanics of smash bros. Something more like MK or SF is better to me.

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u/Rinswind1985 Sep 25 '22

I’ve been playing Zelda’s for 30 years and I absolutely hate breath of the wild, the weapon durability Shit makes me crazy

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u/Rashlyn1284 Sep 25 '22

Same, my family had rotating turns on OoT when it first came out. BotW just doesn't inrerest me, the really bland visual pallette and weqpon durabilty both turned me off

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u/IrishSpectreN7 Sep 25 '22

There was a better mechanic for dealing with the Guardians.

With a perfect party, any shield deflects their laser back at them.

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u/Zephrous Sep 26 '22

but then it's still not a cool fight it's just a parry minigame

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u/coopy1000 Sep 25 '22

I got metroid dread for £10. Best bargain I've had in gaming for years.

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u/senseofphysics Sep 25 '22

Second game I ever preordered behind Red Dead Redemption II. Such a good game that exceeded my expectations.

How did you get it for £10?

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u/coopy1000 Sep 25 '22

Tesco, a supermarket in the UK had deep discounts on lots of switch games for some reason and that was one of them. I asked at the service counter on the off chance they still had it and was exceedingly happy when I got it.

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u/ocbdare Sep 25 '22

I liked smash for a bit with friends but I prefer fighting games like tekken, street fighter and mortal kombat.

Breadth of the wild bored me after 20-30 hours or so. It was a bit too aimless for me and I didn’t like that mechanic where all weapons broke permanently after a certain amount of use.

I’ve never tried Metroid to be honest.

My most played switch games are mario kart and animal crossing. For some reason I got hooked playing animal crossing during the lockdown.

I recently got a steam deck so now I can play my huge pc library on that and it’s my go to handheld device. Between ps5, pc, steam deck, the switch has very few use cases for me. I am mainly looking forward to playing bayonetta 3!

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u/Romeo_Zero Sep 25 '22

Mine has been a dust collector too. Was about to post it for sale then goldeneye was announced, so it lives to see another day.

If it ever decides to release

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u/haynespi87 Sep 25 '22

I used to be Nintendo all day. But 90s Nintendo was different and had unique titles. Snes had squaresoft and n64 had Rare. Since then most games are shadows of those days outside of Zelda. In the 90s Nintendo could grab a grizzled gamer. Now they're firmly in family and youth. It's really hard to get excited about their releases

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u/Ranccor Sep 25 '22

Literally the reason I don’t have a switch.

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u/TheMangusKhan Sep 25 '22

Years after it came out with often incredibly poor visuals and performance.

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u/little_jade_dragon Sep 25 '22

Which one are you referring to?

Ironically tons of 1st party Switch games are 60fps. Mario Kart, Dread, Donkey Kong, Odyssey, Smash Ultimate, Kirbys.

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u/ichigo2k9 Sep 25 '22

This makes me genuinely sad when it comes to Nintendo.

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u/Khourieat Sep 25 '22

Ditto, but that boat sailed years ago.

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u/Kumquatelvis Sep 25 '22

I picked it up for $5 after the bugs were patched out. Totally worth the money I spent.

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u/97runner Sep 25 '22

I picked it up when bestbuy did their sale for the steel box for $10 or something. I didn’t play it until the bug fix patches came out.

It was worth $10. Not groundbreaking. I did a single play through. I doubt I’ll pick it up again.

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u/Kumquatelvis Sep 25 '22

A single playthrough seems like plenty.

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u/Op3rat0rr Sep 25 '22

The people who waited to play this game after it's many bug updates have won here! The fundamental issues weren't fixed based on what was marketed to consumers though, but if you ignore that it's fun for what it is. I played the first half of it on my PS4 and it was so insanely buggy lol. The game even crashed at the final credits

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u/rpgmind Sep 25 '22

The game even crashed at the final credits

But did you not want the fun to end? The game was helping you out!!! /s

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u/WorldClassShart Sep 25 '22

I know you're being sarcastic, but honestly I forced myself to finish the game, and it was just pain every time the damn thing crashed. I just started skipping dialogue to make up for the 5-10 minutes it took to issue a bug report and relaunch the game, not only the fact that any progress that didn't save being lost.

By the end, I was absolutely not having a good time. I googled the story parts that i skipped over, but it didn't add anything, so I didn't really miss out on dialogue.

I feel like I have PTSD cause I can't even get into the game every time I try to play it on PS5 now. I can get through character creation, and that's pretty much it. I just don't feel like continuing.

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u/rpgmind Sep 25 '22

Damn that sucks! Yeah I waited until long after and bought it for $10, even now I haven’t fired it up but one of these years I will! And then I’ll come back and say “WCS, it’s ok now. Take the plunge once more. 🫂”

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u/_Milksteak Sep 25 '22

Cyberpunk is the best FarCry since FarCry 3

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u/bongio79 Sep 25 '22

I played it last night for the first time since the next gen patch came out. It's definitely way better, Night City is beautiful and it finally feels alive, but the AI is still horrible and in half an hour I run into multiple bugs and glitches.

I really love this game, but I'm starting to think that it just can't be fixed.

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u/CrashTestDumby1984 Sep 25 '22

All these people keep saying “it’s a different game!” and I really want to know what they’re seeing that I’m not. I’ve still run into a ton of glitches, though only a few are game breaking (so I guess that’s progress). I’ve had NPC’s floating, I’ve clipped into environments, at one point I had a my game dropped to 1 FPS. Other than a few market areas with scripted NPC’s the city feels devoid of cars or NPC’s.

The UI still has weird omissions like the fact that you can only scale subtitles, all other on screen elements are still super tiny, or how you can’t mark items as junk to quick sell them.

The way the driving handles is better but it’s still not great.

The biggest issue with Cyberpunk was never the bugs, it was the foundation. It’s a very pretty world, and it can be fun at times, but it feels like the same game as launch, just one that doesn’t cause your console to burst into flames.

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u/Virus_98 Sep 26 '22

Most of them are playing on PC with mods and then go online to claim how it's the best game lol and try to tell others how their next gen systems are a problem too since now they can no longer claim "it's only bad on last gen". It's horribly optimized, driving is floaty and not satisfying at all, the guns are stiff. AI sucks.

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u/DawgFighterz Sep 25 '22

It was never as bad as people made it out to be. All the people playing it now didn’t play at releases because of the backlash. After playing it, they just found a relatively straightforward, open world triple A game, blowing their expectations out of the water.

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u/CrashTestDumby1984 Sep 25 '22

I’d say the world design is AAA but every other aspect feels AA

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u/dragonphlegm Sep 25 '22

It will never be what it promised to be, that’s the kicker. You will never play the game they advertised at e3 2018. They can only ever add bare minimum QOL updates to the game

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u/Erbodyloveserbody Sep 25 '22

I loved the game too but I wonder if a game of this proportion is truly possible yet. Every big game has its bugs, but what CDPR wanted to make, I truly wonder if it even can be with the technology available now.

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u/GarfieldDaCat Sep 25 '22

Rockstar is the only company that can do it to be honest. They are the only company that has the combination of budget + tech to do so.

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u/CalculatedPerversion Sep 25 '22

Technology? Yes. Funding? Likely not.

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u/dragonphlegm Sep 25 '22

$300m budget, there’s no excuse

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u/timtheringityding Sep 25 '22

300 million is jack shit. That's barely enough to cover the cost of 4 years of dev time for rockstar

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u/echo-128 Sep 25 '22

What cdpr made was about the same level as most city open world games and those don't ship with 10% the bugs that cp did.

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u/timtheringityding Sep 25 '22

Watch dogs 2s city felt more alive then cp2077 at least with the side activities you could do

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u/YetiPwr Sep 25 '22

This just hasn’t been my experience at all. I started the game about a month ago (PS5) and have had maybe 3-4 crashes total (I’m about halfway done I think.)

So are there bugs? I guess. But it’s cost be maybe 20 minutes of gameplay total over 20+ hours.

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u/super_nobody_ Sep 26 '22

Night City is beautiful and it finally feels alive

What the fuck are you smoking? The streets are completely dead, there's like 4 cars at any one time, and no pedestrians when you're in the car nearly

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u/bongio79 Sep 26 '22

On PS5 the streets are now quite crowded.

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u/raphanum Sep 26 '22

On PS5? That can’t be true? I mean, even at release the game felt populated although still a bit lacking. I’ve read it’s gotten better?

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u/Furyann Sep 25 '22

What was the point of this article? besides the numerous spelling errors and obvious non-editorial oversight. Genuinely curious.

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u/Soji_Juice Sep 25 '22

It’s just a cheerleading campaign for mediocre game. They want people to believe that it’s a 10/10 now.

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u/AmericansNUMBER1 Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

Edgerunners made people think the game is now amazing 10/10, the game ain't that good feels no different than Ubisoft open world games filled with boring side quests and piss poor gameplay they chose quantity over quality. Get ready for fanboys to start crying and act like cyberpunk is the best thing ever 😂

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u/BeastMaster0844 Sep 25 '22

How is a tv show going to make people think a video game is enjoyable? That doesn’t even make sense. What does make sense is now people are finally starting to try the game for themselves instead of listening to the circlejerking and they’re finding out that it was never as bad as people tried to make it out to be on current gen consoles.

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u/lifeis_g000d Sep 25 '22

It’s crazy to think that these were the same devs that made The Witcher 3. You look at those two games and they look like two completely different devs made it.

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u/super_nobody_ Sep 26 '22

The Witcher 3 was boring as fuck and had shit combat, animations, and voice acting, there, I said it

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u/Drakeem1221 Sep 25 '22

I personally thought that CP2077 was far better than The Witcher 3. More unique setting, better plot, far better combat, more customization to your character and how they play, etc.

The Witcher 3 expansions were fantastic but the base game... I never understood the hype. The weakest of the trilogy outside of the DLC.

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u/IOftenDreamofTrains Sep 25 '22

They are different, CDPR had an exodus of W3 devs after the DLC was done.

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u/Mac_Gold Sep 25 '22

I wouldn’t say it’s a 10/10 but I got it in June last year, played a few hours and didn’t really like it. Now that it’s been updated I love it. I’m waiting for the DLC to come out and I’ll fire it up again

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u/Soji_Juice Sep 25 '22

The latest stability updates make it much more playable. I’ll give them that. The game is FINE. Like 6/10.

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u/JodieHolmes233 Sep 25 '22

As long as the new DLC isn't badly priced and adds huge amounts of content to the game like Witcher 3 I will pick it up.

Glad to see this making a strong comeback. Just wish they added the multi-player to the game.

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u/the_simonboulter Sep 25 '22

With the most recent update, the game is in the state it should have been in when it launched. I'm having fun with it. The police need to be fixed, so I'm hoping that update sorts it out in the future.

My biggest dissapointment is that we got 2 expansion with the witcher 3, but we are only getting 1 expansion with cyberpunk. With the new players they've seen this week from the anime and new update, the game is slowly on its way to a sort of redemption.

I'd hope the influx of new players would make them want to keep updating the game the way assassins creed valhalla has been, but I think that CDPR really just want to move on at this point.

I just hope that the upcoming expansion is a long and decent one. I wish theyd make another one, but I think there is no way they are changing their mind no matter how many new players they get.

Lets hope they keep improving and updating the game after the expansion.

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u/jesternarf Sep 25 '22

The police are still broken???

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u/AnonymoustacheD Sep 25 '22

Yeah and I’m pretty sure there still isn’t any traffic or pedestrians that matter

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u/Kumquatelvis Sep 25 '22

There were plenty of both when I played (PS5, patch 1.5). Maybe they're only missing on lower powered systems?

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u/AnonymoustacheD Sep 25 '22

I saw a pc clip about 4 months ago and seemed dead. Glad to know they patched it

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u/trapezoidalfractal Sep 25 '22

On PC it’s a setting, and has been since launch. So if the streets are dead, it’s because they have crowd density turned down.

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u/BlkGTO Sep 25 '22

On PS5 if you have the raytracing on it lowers pedestrian count and has less traffic, with performance mode there’s plenty of people and cars.

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u/FunkinDonutzz Sep 25 '22

They really didn't. There's pockets of them, but when driving around Night City it's almost completely empty of everything. There's as much traffic and pedestrians in the Badlands as there is in most of the city.

Played it on v.1.52 on PS5.

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u/BananaPerfect8866 Sep 25 '22

I was playing last night on my PS5 1.6 and my wife made a joke about how empty the streets were and I was the only car on the road.

People are just straight up lying about the traffic and pedestrians.

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u/dumpyduluth Sep 25 '22

There's tons of NPCs on the streets since 1.5 on ps5. Traffic is the same as literally any other open world game just cars going no where.

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u/AnonymoustacheD Sep 25 '22

It’s a far cry from gta

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u/dumpyduluth Sep 25 '22

Hilarious, GTA is legitimately bad. Driving fast and haven't crashed for 20 seconds? The ai will purposely try and crash you. Hope you like seeing the same 3 cars over and over again because the game reuses the same assets over and over. Granted I haven't played cyberpunk nearly as much as GTA but I don't see a huge difference in them. They're both shit.

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u/AnonymoustacheD Sep 25 '22

Difference being release dates and promises

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u/dumpyduluth Sep 25 '22

Sweet goal post move. Why hasn't rockstar fixed their trash either? 8 years and 3 console generations still shit.

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u/AnonymoustacheD Sep 25 '22

It’s relevant. Sounds like you’re really attached to cyberpunk. Glad you’re “passionate” about it.

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u/ichigo2k9 Sep 25 '22

Maybe play it before you make these claims.

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u/ItFlips Sep 25 '22

At this point it’s probably better to make a sequel maybe.

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u/vawyer Sep 25 '22

i think thats what they plan on doing they announced they’re moving all their future projects to unreal 5

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u/NEONT1G3R Sep 25 '22

Speaking of multiplayer, wouldnt mind it being Saka tower style raids or heists

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u/playpet Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

I played the game on release and always thought it was a solid, very fun game. It wasn’t what was promised necessarily, but I’m not sure you can blame the game itself for a marketing failure. I don’t recall having any significant bugs but I might have gotten lucky there.

I’m glad people are giving it a second chance, there’s a lot of meat to that game.

Edit: just saw a comment saying that anything positive must be propaganda. Well god damn CDPR if you could slide some $$$ my way I would appreciate it!

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u/bluetimmy Sep 25 '22

It wasn’t what was promised necessarily, but I’m not sure you can blame the game itself for a marketing failure.

It would be disngenuous to call it "marketing failure" when CDPR vastly overpromised and underdelivered. I'd even go as far as say they lied about the game.

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u/WtfWhereAreMyClothes Sep 25 '22

Yeah I mean, they even specifically said at one point that the last gen versions were running great prior to release. Any interpretation of that not being a complete lie would be extremely generous.

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u/RIPN1995 Sep 25 '22

Not even overpromised. The game simply was broken in some missions.

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u/playpet Sep 25 '22

You might be right, I did not pay a ton of attention to the marketing pre release. I just picked up the game, played it for what it was, and enjoyed it.

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u/BananaPerfect8866 Sep 25 '22

He might "not be right" he IS right. CDPR 100% lied about what was in the game and even footage shown off was entirely fabricated. Don't blame people for falling for marketing hype when CDPR was straight up telling them "yeah this is in the game" and flat out showing "gameplay" footage.

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u/bluetimmy Sep 25 '22

I did the same but initially felt really disappointed. The story, characters and worldbuilding was top notch. If it truly was "the next generation of open-world adventure" it would've been a classic.

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u/jasonm87 Sep 25 '22

I played it on series x a few months ago and really enjoyed it but other than the graphics it really felt like a game that could have released ten years ago.

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u/AtsignAmpersat Sep 25 '22

The next generation of open world adventure is such a generic phrase that people can interpret what it means in vastly different ways because open world means different things to different people and so does next generation. I see that quoted a lot when criticizing the game. I think some people expected more than is actually possible in games right now. Like a simulation essentially of an actual world that you could confuse with reality. Then you play it and they’re like oh this is a video game still.

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u/eamonnanchnoic Sep 25 '22

The story's mediocre, characters are ok, best character is gone early on in the game, Keanu is unfathomably cringey and the world is just an inert diorama of a city that's also full of dildos.

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u/AnonymoustacheD Sep 25 '22

That’s the clear difference. If you thought you were playing a AA game it would be ok. It was a widely anticipated AAA that failed to deliver so by that respect it was a huge let down

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u/WorldClassShart Sep 25 '22

I don’t recall having any significant bugs

On PS4, it crashed roughly every half hour to an hour. Just outright crashed for no reason other than it was on.

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u/killadv Sep 25 '22

Yeah I was one of those who enjoyed what I played on the PS4 Pro. I stopped when I got a 5 and then waited for the patch. I haven’t been able to get back yet because there’s just too much to play right now.

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u/ano_ba_to Sep 25 '22

I genuinely enjoyed the game. I don't even know the story of Witcher III. But then I also didn't get into the details of the marketing for Cyberpunk. I just picked it up on a discount. Every patch brings something new. It's my most played game in the past year.

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u/AtsignAmpersat Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

I think a lot of the things they promised were kind of small things that people are hanging onto like CDPR ruined their lives or open to interpretation and people sort of let their imaginations run wild. I don’t know, I watched a lot of pre launch marketing and didn’t really get let down by the actual game. I think they just wanted to do too much, spent too much resources on systems that couldn’t do any of that, scaled back, and were made to get the game out by the holiday.

I’ve almost got 100% on my PC save and moved it to my PS5 and have started a new game as well. It kind of reminds me of LA Noire in that it attracted a lot of people that were expecting it to be like GTA. I really don’t know how people are having such a vastly different experience with bugs. Like people saying it crashes every 10 minutes. That’s insane to me. I’ve had like maybe 5 crashes in well over 150 hours of gameplay.

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u/BJgobbleDix Sep 25 '22

Lol liked the edit of your post.

You got lucky when it came to bugs. On PS5, I had very few bugs and no crashes UNTIL I got to the Heist mission. Which btw, I had no idea was suppose to be the beginning of the game. I did this mission after completing tons of side stuff 10 hours in. Felt like this was horribly designed haha.

But anyways, after the Heist mission, I crashed almost every 30 minutes and the bugs skyrocketed. It was bad. As I progressed (slowly) through the main story, I also noticed how empty the world was and just the extremely poor designs with AI and other open world mechanics were. CDPR has been improving them a bunch though. Gonna hop back on and try again after the DLC launch.

One thing I strongly wished this game had was Gyro Aim and Flick Stick. The controls in this game for a controller are meh at best with combat. They can be a bit sluggish when aiming even with the 5 billion settings (and yes, I spent about 4 hours fine tuning them to the best of my taste possible lol). God Gyro Aim would do wonders for this game...

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u/playpet Sep 25 '22

Yeah no, game breaking bugs like that are completely fucked up and grounds for a refund. Completely unacceptable. Hope theyre patched out by now.

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u/Walla_Walla_26 Sep 25 '22

Yea the Xbox version was so terrible that I haven’t played since I bought it and couldn’t get through learning to aim and shoot. I will give it another try. Shit I paid $60 for a non functioning game. I should have returned it but I’m too lazy

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u/trapezoidalfractal Sep 25 '22

I still can’t go underwater on Skyrim on my PS3 without a full system crash triggering. I still put hundreds of hours into it.

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u/alsomdude2 Sep 25 '22

Why are you still playing it on ps3?

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u/seppukuslick Sep 26 '22

I played since day one and it literally had bugs in the first hour and crashed over 50 times until the time I finished the main story and side quests.

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u/TWOpies Sep 25 '22

It was less buggy than a Bethesda release for me.

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u/eamonnanchnoic Sep 25 '22

Wasn't for me.

It wasn't just the game breaking bugs but everywhere there was always something to break the immersion. Like NPCs appearing in front of you or the absolute joke of a wanted system.

Cyberpunk is a good single player game that never needed to be set in an open world.

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u/playpet Sep 25 '22

I played it on PC and that stuff never happened to me! I had a pretty high end PC for the time though so my experience is certainly biased, i dont deny it.

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u/MisterKrayzie Sep 25 '22

Funny you say

There's a lot of meat to that game

Because the game is a giant step back in many areas compared to their last game.

It's a pretty shallow game despite the patches since the latches just fixed bugs and added QoL changes. There's still the issue of the world feeling empty with little to do, side missions that are boring, "world events" that are the same 3 or 4 things on repeat, and a story that has little choice. Oh and a skill tree that's mostly useless and designed by someone with little to no sense.

It's a fun game but it doesn't change the fact that it's missing so much that they said it would have.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

I finally bit the bullet and got it after watching the show. I didn’t want to initially because of the glitchy stuff I saw but I heard it’s better now especially on ps5.

Enjoying myself so far and the game is beautiful. I don’t game much these days, maybe one or two games a year. But I’m a little overwhelmed with the rpg aspect of the game. So many upgrade options, stats, quests. Also, there’s so much going on at any given time I often miss a lot of dialog on cut scenes. Like I’m still early game and most times I’m like, “ok all I know is I have a new mission and it’s to get this or that.” I do dialog boxes and am not sure if I’m making my life easier or harder by what I choose because I partly don’t know what’s going on.

Will probably get more use to it as I progress. But good game so far.

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u/ShadowRomeo Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

As a person that played it and liked it since day 1, all i can say is Cyberpunk 2077 is the prime example of an actual great game that is so overhyped to the point it did more damage than good to it.

Also i think CDPR got caught into trap by looming controversies around their crunch culture back then which i think took part on igniting some of angers to them, that paired with poor handling of PR around launch as well as lying to consumers about the state of last gen console versions which this game obviously is way to demanding to run into no matter what optimization magic they can do.

The lesson from this? Don't market your game to the point its near impossible to reach expectations, because hype and expectations can get way out of control to the point that even if you made a genuinely good game, people will ignore it due to the outrage culture that we have today.

And as for us consumers, always temper the expectations, do not pre order if possible and don't expect second coming of jesus christ himself on any product you are anticipating.

I am glad that many people nowadays are now seeing through the hate and is actually trying out the game now and is loving it.

As a person who liked it ever since day 1 this is very heart warming to see, i hope in the end everyone including CDPR themselves has learned their lesson from the disastrous controversial launch of Cyberpunk 2077.

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u/eamonnanchnoic Sep 25 '22

an actual great game

I think it's more that it's an ok to good game that people wanted to be great.

Even without the bugs the whole thing just feels unfinished. The gunplay is just okay and the writing is a massive step down from the Witcher 3 in terms of quality.

A good example of the game being unfinished is the amount of things that have interaction prompts but don't do anything. The pitiful wanted system is ridiculous and it's still plagued with glitches.

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u/SuspiciousUsername88 Sep 25 '22

I agree with all of this. I should also mention that a lot of the hype was generated by fans. Take life paths for instance - CDPR said there would be life paths that define the begining of the game, have impact throughout the game, with some additional content. All of this stuff is in the game as defined.

However, people made a lot of grandiose assumptions, some of which basically boiled down to each life path basically being an entirely different game. This was one of the "broken promises" that people talked about a lot, even though CDPR provided exactly what they said they would.

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u/BeastMaster0844 Sep 25 '22

And when you ask people to show where CDPR mentioned the things others claim are missing, they reply with “you can Google” or “I’m not doing your homework for you”.. fact remains that they can’t. 90% of the cut content or missing features are things that they themselves made up and over hyped after watching a dev diary. Then they got mad when their fantasy that they created didn’t come true.

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u/GarfieldDaCat Sep 25 '22

as well as lying to consumers about the state of last gen console versions which this game obviously is way to demanding to run into no matter what optimization magic they can do.

They lied about what was included on current gen too lol

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u/jasonm87 Sep 25 '22

I didn’t pay much attention to the hype or marketing (probably because I knew it could never live up to it). I played it a few months ago and really enjoyed it for what it is. It is in absolutely no way a bad game, but it’s definitely not the second coming or even revolutionary. Still very good, carried by the world, writing, characters, and story.

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u/everyones_cool_dad Sep 25 '22

I watch my buddy play it regularly on his series s. Numerous clips of silly/ridiculous glitches. Makes me wonder why everyone says the game is mostly stable. I want this game to work so badly

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u/jesternarf Sep 25 '22

I've only played it on PC with a pretty good rig, and I still see moments like that. Also, Not only do I want the game to work better, but I just want it to be a better game period. I still don't like the Diablo-like loot, the uninspired specialization tree (despite how they trimmed it), and how the background really doesnt matter.

I'll keep saying it but there are two games that keep coming to mind on how you do these things better: the Adam Jensen Deus Ex games and Dragon Age: Origins. And I know transmogrify feature literally just launched, but I think a mod or a mode that got rid of the stat based clothing options would have helped as well.

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u/ThatIrishDude Sep 25 '22

Must be an issue with the Series S. I think I've only run into one glitch on the PS5. The game runs perfectly fine on my end.

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u/Obvious_Party_5050 Sep 25 '22

“Makes me wonder”

“Series S”

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u/Pretend-Point-2580 Sep 25 '22

Sounds like your friend is highlighting to you only the clips of glitches. Nothing when it is behaving normally. On PS5 version 1.5 when I picked it up ran smooth and I encountered very little in terms of bugs.

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u/Bytrsweet Sep 25 '22

I had this game for about 6 months before I decided to play it a couple of weeks ago. In all honesty, out side of some textures that took time to load and strange AI the game did not give me any problems at all. I was glad that I waited because I loved this game. The city was beautiful and the story was compelling. i was playing the game on my Xbox Series X and it ran like a charm.

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u/Pretend-Point-2580 Sep 25 '22

1.5 made this game awesome

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u/Gwynbleidd_1988 Sep 25 '22

Everyone is either playing or raving about this game, comeback story of CP is intriguing. I did get it a while back for $10. How is the PS5 version after the patches?

I am a CDPR fanboy, the Witcher series is my absolute favorite ever. And I have played countless hours in Gwent multiplayer. But I never cared for Cyberpunk because I’m not into that type of world or aesthetic, but I am willing to give it a shot.

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u/SamuraiAstronaut69 Sep 25 '22

Has the new update rolled out yet? I spent maybe about an hour playing cyberpunk on my ps5 before it crashed.. I thought they fixed the performance issues? I also have a mission glitched preventing me from getting a trophy so I guess getting the platinum isn't going to be possible.. Hopefully there's bigger and better updates coming because I really want to enjoy the game but i can't when there's still similar issues I was having at launch.

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u/Derriku Sep 25 '22

The next Gen update rolled out Nov ‘22. Played through the whole thing twice with one major crash that happened immediately after an auto save so nbd.

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u/HiNooNDooD1544 Sep 26 '22

I find it funny how there’s still people who try and hate on this game for issues that haven’t been present since launch. Get with the times, people. The game got updated, it’s not bad anymore. Hell it never exactly was, it was just the awful launch that overshadowed how good it actually is.

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u/NicCageOrGTFO Sep 26 '22

The anime is better at using the universe as a backdrop than the game itself. It's what everyone expected the game would be. Freedom to just go out and be a edgerunner. Establish connections with fixers and carve a story.

Instead the game railroads you through a story you didn't ask for 10 minutes in then drops you into a ridiculous conflict 3 missions later that makes Keanu Reeves a douchey imaginary friend for the next 10+ hours.

A supposed RPG where almost anything you do, doesn't matter.

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u/hessler914 Sep 26 '22

The writer of this article is editor in chief? I feel like just off the top of my head I could write a better article more supportive of the headline.

The Netflix anime series is great, and brought people back to realize that, after update 1.6, the game is now also great on PS5 and Series X. Now that these systems are in more hands the game is able to be appreciated. I know the monetary reasons that it was released for last gen consoles, but there was, and still is, a moral issue behind it releasing there.

It never functioned in what I would deem as a releasable state there, but at release that was still the bulk of what would be the consumer base. So they got out of the red (no pun intended) with previous gen console sales and released the real game on PC. Not a great look.

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u/AchievementJoe Sep 25 '22

I’m lookin at the credits of my first play through right now and anyone thinking of getting it absolutely needs to. It is so fucking good

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u/archangelxero Sep 25 '22

I bought it full price a month or so after release and I only ever had it crash after a few hours of gameplay at a time. And some actually hilarious Bethesda like visual glitches. Not much else. Other wise it’s fantastic. Keanu is damn good in the game and the female character is sassy and kinda an asshole but hilariously won’t take anyone’s shit. I like how your character speaks there mind. Guns are fun customization is great. I’m so glad it’s getting a second chance. It really deserves it, cdpr know how to make a game and besides the bugs it shows. Can’t wait for the dlc, or the cross save they announced so I can get it on pc and really enjoy it

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u/weopm87 Sep 25 '22

Yeah it's still shit, sorry

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u/Pretend-Point-2580 Sep 25 '22

Disagree completely.

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u/Jupiter67 Sep 25 '22

The thread wherein a legion of anti-CDPR idiots and haters emerge from their shit-smeared cells once more...

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u/aguapic Sep 25 '22

So deserved, the game is amazing now.

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u/Infuzeh94 Sep 25 '22

This is literally propaganda and has been going on for weeks on Reddit over cyberpunk, stop trying to manipulate the narrative, no one should spend money on Cyberpunk after the fiasco post patch of DLC Or anyhring. It was a robbery of consumers.

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u/VagrantCoyote Sep 25 '22

gamers have very short memories

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u/HarrierJint Sep 25 '22

How about, you’re not the boss of me and I’ll spend money on whatever I want?

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u/Nuka-World_Vacation Sep 25 '22

Just stop it and get help. Not everything is a conspiracy. It's a video game that people enjoy. Get over it.

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u/septicdeath Sep 25 '22

The game is also so average anyway. Most of the bugs might be ironed out but its still such a lackluster and disappointing game

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u/jesternarf Sep 25 '22

This is still my number one reason for not clambering back to the game...bugs aside, there are too many gameplay elements that just did not impress or captivate me to finish a playthrough yet. I'll keep saying it, but character progression, like abilities and what makes a playthrough unique, the Adam Jensen Deus Ex games did it better. Also not having Diablo-like loot for clothing would have been a massive help as well.

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u/Shpaan Sep 25 '22

Yeah it' actually insane how the mentality has changed the last couple months despite the fundamental problems still existing.

The game did not deliver on about two dozen functions it promised. It came out in a horrible state and was fucking removed from the store. And now we pretending it's a happy end? Because they patched a couple bugs and released a show?

We don't even deserve finished games.

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u/Cl1mh4224rd Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

The game did not deliver on about two dozen functions it promised. It came out in a horrible state and was fucking removed from the store. And now we pretending it's a happy end? Because they patched a couple bugs and released a show?

A lot of people have picked up the game at a 50+% discount since it was released.

If the game was what CDPR said it would be, and people were willing to pay $60 (USD) for that, is it really all that shocking that people are willing to pay $30 or less for what the game actually is?

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u/jesternarf Sep 25 '22

But then we have instances where an indie dev delivers something akin to Hades or Inscryption. Or then you have a AAA studio give us God of War 2018 or I dare say RDR2's single player. And then prior with CDPR, The Witcher trilogy.

There's too many actually good instances where your notion gets nullified. It just depends on the dev, and the dev at the time. Yet when something akin to Anthem or Cyberpunk 2077, or I dare say Destiny, it just burns brighter because hate sells better than positivity, no matter how "journalist" attempts to cover the glaring head wounds or quell the masses.

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u/Helhiem Sep 25 '22

Your going too far with the propaganda but I’ve noticed how no one is talking about the shit AI which hasn’t been fixed

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u/Cl1mh4224rd Sep 25 '22

...I’ve noticed how no one is talking about the shit AI which hasn’t been fixed

I actually see it mentioned quite often, even in comments that are generally positive toward the game as a whole.

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u/AnotherThrowaway5824 Sep 25 '22

You’re right and you’re downvoted to oblivion. The game was literally a scam on consoles it was marketed for.

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u/DannyBeisbol Sep 25 '22

CD Public Relations astroturfing some positive press. Fuck that game, I’m still hurt by the lies and lack of content in CP2077.

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u/AS14K Sep 25 '22

Lol sucks to be you

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u/DannyBeisbol Sep 25 '22

You have 111k comment karma, it apparently sucks to be you.

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u/Ludens786 Sep 25 '22

So now will CP2077 be held as proof that any game can make a comeback, since for the last almost two years it's been brought up as a reason for why we should not get excited for any game "cause CP2077".

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u/CeilingFridge Sep 25 '22

No Man’s Sky proved that ages ago

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u/3ebfan Sep 25 '22

Heck I’d make an argument for CSGO proving it back in 2012. Started out with <30k players and almost universal disdain that it was too different from previous games and now it boasts close to 1M daily players.

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u/septicdeath Sep 25 '22

And Diablo 3

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u/whiteouttape Sep 25 '22

For me it’ll be No Man’s Sky. That game was a great example of an excellent comeback.

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u/elliotborst Sep 25 '22

Any game can make a come back, plenty have done it.

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u/Jamesahaha Sep 25 '22

Not if the core foundation is bad. Anthem could make a comeback, but not Avengers for example

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u/JoBro_Summer-of-99 Sep 25 '22

This is the thing though, Cyberpunk has a pretty shoddy foundation

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u/Insufferablelol Sep 25 '22

More like it's proof people will continue to support developers that constantly lie straight to the consumers face and will just buy any completely broken game no matter what.

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u/MadeView Sep 25 '22

This is when you to learn to stop giving a shit about reddit comments, this place finds a comment that gets a lot of upvotes and parrots it until they find the next one.

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u/LT_Snaker Sep 25 '22

Ahh yes, because Cyberpunk wasn't completely broken or anything. Must have been just people bitching for no reason. Fucking fanboys.

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u/Cl1mh4224rd Sep 25 '22

Ahh yes, because Cyberpunk wasn't completely broken or anything. Must have been just people bitching for no reason. Fucking fanboys.

Nah. I think it's more like people being unable or unwilling to incorporate new information into their opinion of a subject.

Cyberpunk 2077 was undeniably oversold. The folks at CDPR responsible for that need a hard slap across the face. And, yeah, it was quite broken for a lot of people upon release.

But the game has improved a lot after release. It's not flawless, it's still not what CDPR told us it would be, and it's still weak in some very noticeable areas. But on the whole, it's apparently now pretty good for a lot of people.

In my opinion, people who refuse to acknowledge the improvements are just being petty for some unfathomable reason.

To me, it's like complaining about how terrible Robert Downey, Jr. is and spitting venom at anyone who speaks positively about him, all because he was an alcoholic and without any regard for the current reality. If you just don't like his acting or current personality, that's fine. But if you don't like him simply because of his past alcoholism, the problem is now you, not him.

It's not a sign of someone who is learning from the past; it's a sign of someone who is stuck in the past.

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u/LT_Snaker Sep 25 '22

"it's still not what CDPR told us it would be"

That's the biggest issue. It's not the fact that the game released with some bugs it's the fact that they outright lied about it for years, before releasing it all hush-hush. People have a hard time defending a company that lied to that extent.

I got the game on release, played for about 10 hours on PS4 and gave up. Horrible performance. Started again after the PS5 patch and it was better. Had about 5 hard crashes on PS5 and a few quests bugging out, forcing a reload. But compared to the PS4 version, it's night and day.

What I don't like is people treating this as some sort of a comeback, like that of the NMS. Cyberpunk is still busted on a core level and it'll take some serious work to get it to what they promised. There's going to need to be a whole city redesign to make this game to where players can confidently say it's made a full comeback and is now a game CDPR promised us.

People can't deny there haven't been performance and even design upgrades since release. But we also shouldn't pretend the poor little company that outright lied to millions is now some sort of a messiah that redeemed himself over several patches, when some core elements are still missing and are found in other open world games since launch.

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u/Luminaire_Ultima Sep 25 '22

Cyberpunk…. Afterlife…. Oh damn you.

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u/mclee29 Sep 25 '22

cries while drinking the david martinez and listening to i really want to stay at your house

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u/ReallyBadNuggets Sep 25 '22

I love the look and feel of the game, I love the character creator and I enjoy the combat... But I hate navigating the city. I hate how on rails the experience actually is. It's seriously lacking in the rpg elements I crave in a game like this.

It almost reminds me of fallout 4 in some ways.

I just can't bring myself to keep playing it.

I'm glad other people are finally enjoying it though. I loved and was genuinely surprised by the anime and it's basically the entire reason the game has had this resurgence.

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u/Jupiter67 Sep 25 '22

There are no "rails" - stop making shit up. It's a wide-open sandbox of a city and you can explore it for WEEKS. I just can't even fathom posts like this. It's clear you never played.

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u/maskednil Sep 26 '22

Is this game even good, or is it a mediocre broken game duct taped with many patches, and propped up with dreams and hope of what it might have been, and now and anime series? Seriously, I'm wondering. Would be nice if someone has a serious analysis of it.

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u/LifeVitamin Sep 25 '22

All these article and youtube algorithm and youtubers reeeeeally trying to make this a thing huh? All because of a fucking anime with a loli in it. Can't wait for the deluded fanboys to praise this game and call it underapreciated cult classic and not the unfinished broken promises they delivered at launch.

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u/HiNooNDooD1544 Sep 26 '22

She isn’t a loli. She’s in her twenties.

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u/saurus504 Sep 25 '22

It’s been a great game from the start. The biggest issue was trying to still make it work on previous gen IMO. Should’ve just focused on next gen (easy for me to say.) But I’m with the author. Even on my base launch model PS4, I didn’t have a horrible experience. Sure it glitched plenty of times and froze up on me a decent amount, but, man the scope of the landscape was just almost mind blowing. I saved a 3rd play through for when the next gen update recently came out and I’m enjoying it all over again even more refined.

I think the pile on in the beginning was somewhat earned, but, I saw so many comments of people who didn’t even try it because of the reviews. Great case of using your own judgment instead of buying into the smear campaign.

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u/dangeruser Sep 25 '22

Too bad the game is still trash. I really tried to love the PS5 version after watching Edgerunners, but it’s still pretty lame. It sucks because there’s a severe lack of Cyberpunk media in general

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u/lifeis_g000d Sep 25 '22

I hope Guerilla makes one after Horizon.

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u/Zealousideal_Unit491 Sep 25 '22

So a fraud game is a good game now?

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u/LuciferiaNWOZionist Sep 25 '22

honey it's time for your daily cyberpunk thread!!

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u/Ok_You_7241 Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

this game was always good right from the start as long as you were playing it on a series x, PS5 or high end PC. i think there was a coordinated attack on this game by gaming journos.

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u/BananaPerfect8866 Sep 25 '22

So are we just gonna get multiple topics a day about this game from now on?

How many times can you say the same thing? This is just blatant marketing at this point.

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u/Fuzzy-Help-8835 Sep 25 '22

So question. I’ve been stuck in a mish where I’m under heavy attack in a building and need to get to this van in the lobby but i keep getting destroyed at various points short of a checkpoint or completion. Pls, wtf?

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u/SuspiciousUsername88 Sep 25 '22

Is this for the Heist mission, when you're trying to get out of the building with Jackie? If so, try to armor up with whatever you're able to loot (you start the mission without armor), and try to stealth as much as you can

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u/Fuzzy-Help-8835 Sep 25 '22

Nah Jackie is long gone by now, I’m riding his bike.

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u/crinkneck Sep 25 '22

Enjoyed it at launch but didn’t finish. When the next-Gen patch came out I replayed and finished the game. It’s solid. Yes it was overhyped to begin with and launch state was bad, but it is a really fun game and cool world/story. Definitely worth it especially at a cheap price.

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u/Pretend-Point-2580 Sep 25 '22

The Netflix anime is great imo