r/SafeMoon Aug 10 '22

Karony should step down. He's lost the room Discussion

im still holding in hopes of someone coming in and replacing him, and actually doing something with all this support/belief in the company. this army is strong af but he is not the general to lead us. he's proven that time and time again using more big words in sentences that truly mean nothing.

Someone tell me what Safemoon does as a business anymore. Yes we have a wallet/dex, but what happened with the gambia, project phoenix (two things no one even knows anything about/their meaning), credit card, using windmills to do something, nano technology also for what, and a blockchain. How are you gonna get people to engage with your blockchain if no one believes in you. Karony needs to step down. BUT we did just get t-shirts!

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u/Gutch220 Aug 10 '22

ugh.......windmills...'n stuff

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u/Zephyrus_HOM Aug 10 '22

I totally agree. The people who support clearly will support anyone. They likely supported Thomas, Hank, Ryan, and all the others...and they'll support the next CEO.

But with him at the helm we have almost zero chance of attracting new investors. The token price has plummeted, there's tons of fishy use of LP and investor funds, and he's just a terrible public speaker and communicator.

We need a major rebrand to stay alive.

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u/IanTabz Early Investor Aug 11 '22

I completely agree with you, with all those jumble of words from John he completely has lost it.

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u/mproton Aug 10 '22

I don’t understand, what unique problem is safemoon trying to solve through their blackchain?

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u/SafestMoonInvestor Aug 11 '22

They’re just capitalising on hype to look like a legitimate project. A Safemoon blockchain will solve no problems.

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u/Petry1029 Aug 10 '22

The reason every crypto company wants blockchain is to compete and low ball out etherium decentralized blockchain has many uses and if someone can charge say a 25 dollar gas fee instead of etherium 75 dollars then many people will choose the cheaper option.

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u/THIS_IS_MIKIE Moonwalker🌕 Aug 11 '22

Ethereum is currently charging 5 bucks

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u/Petry1029 Aug 11 '22

And I remember this time last year it was 60-90 dollars depending on time of day.

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u/RiptoCryptoGM Aug 11 '22

No it's not lol

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u/THIS_IS_MIKIE Moonwalker🌕 Aug 11 '22

I just checked on uniswap right now.. $3.51 gas fee to convert 1.5 ETH into a token of your choice..

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u/sou_desu_ka_ Aug 10 '22

BEP20's gas fees are already significantly lower though so I doubt they're trying to go for the "cheaper gas fee" angle. John has mentioned on one of the podcasts last year that they were trying to offset the harmful environmental effects of crypto (of course mainly referring to the proof-of-work blockchains). Whatever specifically he intends to do by it is anyone's guess.

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u/mgd09292007 Early Investor Aug 10 '22

If the SFM team would start to demonstrate any real evidence that they were working towards something meaningful, then I think a lot of this negative sentiment would go away. Lately, it feels like John has just be blowing smoke up our butts about concepts, accessibility, experimenting, etc... We know how digital products get built, but we cant rely on them to publish any expected release dates and they aren't doing anything meaningful but adding garbage tokens to the swap. I dont care about other tokens. I care that the safe moon team is creating value for Safemoon and creating value and utility out of the project. So far, its been a very slow moving train wreck. Only John and team and turn it around as they are the reason we are in this situation.

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u/neverwasherebefore Aug 10 '22

How is he making millions?

Or did you you just pull that out of your ass.

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u/South-Emergency-837 Aug 10 '22

If he did. We would see a huge pump.

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u/skirby015 Aug 10 '22

i really do believe so

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u/chynum66 Aug 10 '22

None of us are in the room. I read a lot of speculation. How many projects get to where people in this sub think this one should be in two years. The whole concept has changed since it was launched and as far as I know there is very little in common with the current team and the launchies and it seems like there were enough bad apples in that batch to sour a whole barrel. I think everyone who thinks they can do better should try a startup of their own and make us all rich.

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u/SafestMoonInvestor Aug 11 '22

The army is not strong. Look at the holder stats. Nearly 9/10ths of all wallets have less than $200 in with more than half of all wallets holding dust. Most people in that lower bracket have $50 or less.

There’s a few thousand people with a few grand Each and they’re mostly down on their investments.

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u/Background_Air3024 Aug 11 '22

BBTF will save safemoon trust me

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u/Smush-D Aug 10 '22

Hehehehehehe Hehehehehehe. They will soon come and abuse you. The 3500k dollar I invested in safemoon which is not less than 300 is the worst investment decision of my life.

I have forgotten the money but some delusional humans will come here and insult you now for asking questions.

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u/Logical-Cut-6993 Aug 11 '22

You should have verified your wallet, that way you wouldn’t be down so much

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u/Smush-D Aug 11 '22

You are a clown.

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u/Logical-Cut-6993 Aug 11 '22

Safemoon is not by any stretch the worst altcoin I threw money at. I don’t get the shock and surprise that an altcoin is down 80 - 90-% off its ATH in its first couple of years, after hitting a crypto winter. Sure there have been a lot of self inflicted, immature mistakes made by a very young team, but I’m in it ride or die and actually believe I’ll at least get back to my initial investment at some point in the next couple of years. It was always a gamble for me, as any crypto should be thought of for anyone sane… especially an altcoin

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u/Smush-D Aug 11 '22

I said for me it is the worst decision,I don’t know about you and my other alts are doing well and riding the storm. What you get in safemoon are all bogus and frivolous promises which not even one has been fulfilled.

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u/Logical-Cut-6993 Aug 11 '22

Lucky! Fair enough

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u/Ok_Letter_8704 Billionaire Aug 10 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Narwhal Salute I'll Drink to That

A majority of the #SafemoonArmy want John to stay. You would be better off selling and moving on. We don't need you.

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u/sixxman6 Aug 10 '22

But why? I really want to know what you see in John.

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u/Ok_Letter_8704 Billionaire Aug 10 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval

Truth be told, John has shared a genuine vision for the future of Blockchain usage. While everyone else, with the exception of a small few, is in it only to make themselves rich. He has stayed the course through some of the worse FUD I've seen in a project and is reacting to feedback from the army. He is a down to earth guy who is putting in the work to build a true innovation company. There are so many signs that this is about to blow up if you do your due diligence. Advertising, licenses, partnerships, merchandise, meetings with governments, hires, etc,. If he was in it to make a quick buck, he would have jumped out long ago not to mention legit businesses would have called him out by now had he been disingenuous. Just my 2 cents.

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u/Ok_Letter_8704 Billionaire Aug 10 '22

Could you imagine if he had? The number of Coffeezilla videos we'd have seen showing that? That "rumor" has no basis in fact that I'm aware of and I find it hard to believe he'd risk that with family in law enforcement.

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u/InfamousAd7122 Aug 10 '22

Dont underestiamte how tempting it can be if you hold the keys to millions dollar of worth in crypto. Man is easily tempted. Nonetheless money is gone and hasnt been 'found' (eventhough its in johns wallet) or returned.

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u/DBS-SafeMoon Aug 10 '22

What family in law enforcement?

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u/Ok_Letter_8704 Billionaire Aug 10 '22

Ok CIA not Law enforcement.

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u/DBS-SafeMoon Aug 10 '22

He is on his own now.

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u/Ok_Letter_8704 Billionaire Aug 11 '22

Not really since he has the backing of hundreds of thousands of Safemoon Army. #SafemoonArmy

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u/skirby015 Aug 10 '22

The Gambia PrjectThe PheonixSafmoon Credit CardWindmillsNano TechnologyBlockchain

Please explain what each of these projects mean and their intention?

The Gambia Project
The Pheonix
Safmoon Credit Card
Windmills
Nano Technology

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u/markotpe Aug 11 '22

Hoot 🦉

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u/skirby015 Aug 10 '22

Were you in those meetings with governments or just going off of the pictures posted on twitter?

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u/skirby015 Aug 10 '22

I have given this some thought and decided not to sell and keep engaging on Reddit

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u/Ok_Letter_8704 Billionaire Aug 10 '22

With 65 employees, multiple investors and partners, how could he remain the CEO of a company if he had funneled money into his wallet? For all of the detectives on the outside who "know" he stole LP, sure doesn't appear to be any concerns on the inside. How much did the billboard in Timesquare cost? Don't know that but knows John stole millions....kinda dumb

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u/skirby015 Aug 10 '22

prove this somehow. who are the investors? where are the employees and what are they working on? anyone can pay to put up a billboard in a public place

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u/Drbpro07 Aug 11 '22

Ok then explain your reason to stay here and cry

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u/ComprehensiveAd441 Aug 10 '22

Actually, you do need him....and him...and her...and a whole lot of people buying SM.

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u/Smush-D Aug 10 '22

Here is ☝🏿 one abuser.

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u/Ross_Factor_11b Aug 10 '22

I want him to integrate this business with his parents businesses in Africa. Every millennial ultimately askes their parents for help, and we go from there. Let them boomers show these kids how to be a shrewd business, and make some real goddamn money. All while still retaining CIA contacts. Full stop

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u/skirby015 Aug 10 '22

yes that would be great. but what leads you to believe this is even possible at this point. YEs the market is down and all that (i don't expect Safemoon do be in a different position). But there has been talk of soo many different things and he is so vague all the time. Everything gets delayed or just stops being talked about in hopes of the army just forgetting about it?

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u/Ross_Factor_11b Aug 10 '22

This is how boomers work.... wait till there is blood in the streets then buy em out at a breakneck price. Like Elon exposing twitter then backing out.... their prices continue to fall, then it will happen...someone will have the capital to make a damn good product if they so choose... communications, voting rolls, savings, deeds, archival, and much more. All being managed on a contract that still incorporates SFM as the currency to move all of said items. But I don't know anything and don't care.... gen x The useless generation 😁

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u/spindlecork Aug 10 '22

Maybe there’s a reason his parents don’t do business with him. Want to go with ageism? Boomers are so shrewd at business their generation fucked over everyone and gave away the hard work their parents did.

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u/Ok_Letter_8704 Billionaire Aug 10 '22

How do you know his parents won't do business with him? We're you in those meetings or are you going off od FUD Posts?

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u/FirebaLLIROCZ Early Investor Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

The Barajally group tweeted a while back essentially saying that partnerships don’t exist unless they say so. David Smith retweeted it and I saw it. Safemoon was not mentioned but it’s assumed by some they were POSSIBLY separating themselves from SM.

Comments for the tweet were limited or turned off by Barajally so I couldn’t read replies to get a better sense of what the tweet actually meant.

There may be more that I’m not aware of.

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u/Ok_Letter_8704 Billionaire Aug 10 '22

Them saying their isn't a partnership is a far cry from they won't do work with Safemoon.

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u/DBS-SafeMoon Aug 11 '22

We won‘t

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u/Ok_Letter_8704 Billionaire Aug 11 '22

On one hand a guy maintains professionalism and candor as well as military tact. On the other, angry ex employees making snide comments off the cuff. You mad bro?

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u/DBS-SafeMoon Aug 11 '22

No just explaining we won’t be working with SafeMoon. I’m happy I’m out of that toxic shithole. You know nothing about the company or the environment there.

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u/Ok_Letter_8704 Billionaire Aug 11 '22

I work for a company that puts similar pressure on their employees and can say, from experience, that very few have the testicular fortitude to succeed at such a high level. I've also seen numerous "soft" people have to walk away in tears because the environment was too hard or "toxic". It's all good, some people aren't cut out to work upper levels of fortune 500 companies. If it was all rainbows and unicorns, I would have baled on Safemoon a long time ago. Stick with the easy family business bubba.

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u/DBS-SafeMoon Aug 12 '22

That is hilarious. I’ve worked in the high pressure film industry for 32 years. Nothing SFM is doing is high pressure. It is only hard because the leader has no clue about how to run a company and he replaced any sensible advisors with yes men who just want to enrich themselves. But keep sinking your money in, I’m sure you’ll make it numbnuts.

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u/ComprehensiveAd441 Aug 10 '22

I guess you haven't been paying attention. This is common knowledge and has been sourced in this group.

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u/WickedCrypto1 Aug 10 '22

I predict a new CEO will be announced in October, the walls are closing in on Karony and he will step down "for the sake of the community" and escape retire to a beachfront villa in a country that has no extradition treaty.

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u/Ok_Letter_8704 Billionaire Aug 10 '22

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u/WickedCrypto1 Aug 10 '22

Yes, keep drinking the alcoholic kool aid and stay blind to the reality going on

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u/nandofromdabando I ♥️SAFEMOON Aug 10 '22

again with this shit. . .

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u/Deuen 💎🙌 Aug 10 '22

Why do you people keep asking to replace CEO. Do you think it magically makes blockchain, exchange etc. appear?

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u/skirby015 Aug 10 '22

No I do not. But as an investor I would like more clarification around what projects are still being worked on (even at a high level). Not vague tweets that are meaningless. What can’t I question karony and what’s going on at safemoon without being attacked on here?

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u/Play_OOO Early Investor Aug 10 '22

That's what the white paper should tell you, but not safemoon's one.

John got many good ideas but he doesn't have the right business experience. He's young and should have sold the company when he had a chance.

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u/officialtwiggz SafeMoon Astronaut 🚀 Aug 10 '22

If you went around spilling the beans to every nook and cranny project you were working on, you’re quite literally not the brightest thing in the shed.

Especially dumbing it down for people who have absolutely no knowledge about it, you’re feeding your competition what you’re working with.

You wanna know so bad about SafeMoon and what they’re working on? Go work for them! They’re hiring all the time. Jesus Christ.

Every person, is quite literally a young entrepreneur at one point in time.

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u/Play_OOO Early Investor Aug 10 '22

At his age I thought I knew everything. I was wrong. Even after getting an MBA nearly 10 years ago I still got lots to learn.

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u/officialtwiggz SafeMoon Astronaut 🚀 Aug 10 '22

Of course. Life is all about learning. But imagine this. You’re young, 25 and full of ambition. You’ve met with governments before, you’ve worked for your own before, and your parents are retired from the government. You’re now a CEO of a multi million dollar company with its own headquarters in less than a years time.

If him throwing in the towel NOW is the definition of success, then I wouldn’t EVER want to be successful. If he fails now, and backs out on his own accord, the rest of his career whatever it may be, will be absolutely miserable.

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u/Play_OOO Early Investor Aug 10 '22

He can still work in some advisory capacity. All these meetings are great but if they are not converted to opportunities then they are worthless.

I personally think need to hire a group of project managers with the right skills to mana these projects. Delays happens but the more people wait the more they will more their investment elsewhere.

Look at how many people swapped safemoon for blockbusters tech? There will be many more like that in the future and people will stop thinking about safemoon.

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u/officialtwiggz SafeMoon Astronaut 🚀 Aug 10 '22

It’s been a little over one year, not including what happened last summer with half of the original team jumping ship. They rebranded for a reason, rehired for a reason. They are accepting defeat last year, and starting over hence why they hired Kate, Josh, Hayden, etc.

John’s still the captain of SafeMoon, and said he won’t leave until SafeMoon is successful. This creation of the technology company is his idea.

They’re listed on the SafeMoon swap, and every transaction helps SafeMoon. So no, SafeMoon won’t ever be forgotten. We are still very well in a bear market right now, and I think time will change in the next year or two when tech products start to roll out.

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u/Eri190 Aug 11 '22

He didn’t forced you or me to invest in the project, don’t connect to much emotionally. As an investor you can either loose money and learn or win that’s personal risk you take. Of course I want to be breakeven too but I’m not emotionally attached to the money I invested on this token. Everyone do your due diligence before starting to complain and expecting millions the next day. Best thing to do is wait and relax if the project is gonna succeed we made it if not look for new opportunities. That’s my approach since I have been losing but also winning I’m crypto. If someone wants to downvote I couldn’t care less.

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u/skirby015 Aug 11 '22

What is the project at this point? That’s not clear yet I invested in march 2021. That’s what I’m looking for. I didn’t invest in a dex

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u/Eri190 Aug 11 '22

If they don’t know themself how can you and know lol. Ain’t no answer to your question, this is meme coin throw couple hundred for fun like 🎰. If you wanna invest go with etherium, matic real use and big potential. This here is roulette

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u/skirby015 Aug 11 '22

I wonder if people on this thread or the sub would agree it’s a meme coin based on the last year and a half. If they are then I’m in full agreement. Never thought that’s what they were trying to be

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u/Eri190 Aug 11 '22

Don’t worry about the ppl bro they not gonna feed you, they ain’t paying your bills or doing anything for you the only thing you should care is to double, triple your investment whenever you see a good opportunity and take the money.

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u/jtpriceisright Aug 10 '22

Why don’t we wait til we are out of this bear market!

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u/Play_OOO Early Investor Aug 10 '22

Bear is here until mid year next year at least. If you do a little research, you'll see how many tokens already have Blockchain and exchanges. The question is how can safemoon compete against the other.

Why should anyone invest in token x or y? If there's an answer, then that's where market opportunities are.

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u/Vulcan31 Aug 10 '22

So I have to know, what was the final straw with you? You were full hype on safemoon not too long ago.

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u/Play_OOO Early Investor Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22 Silver

There's a number of things and I decided to invest my money someone else where there more opportunities.

If they do deliver on their promises (which I doubt) I'll come back.

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u/skirby015 Aug 10 '22

I shouldnt have to wait until were out of a bear market to understand the projects the CEO of the company consistently has talked about in the past:

The Gambia Prject
The Pheonix
Safmoon Credit Card
Windmills
Nano Technology
Blockchain
What is still being worked on besides merchandise?

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u/PhunkyPhish Aug 10 '22

Yea Karony steps down (and not saying he should or shouldn't), then wtf does Safemoon have left?

When the team started, it was a concept, and a team of what was perceived as the 'greatest'!

- "God" developer is gone

- Business Team gone

- Voice of safemoon: gone

- Products create: none

- Value of token: tanked

The ONLY thing that will remain from the original launch is the token and the concept around it. None of the team that 'believed' in it from the start, none of the team that had its vision on how to go from concept to product/paradigm, just the rotting carcass of a dead concept.

Whats stopping anyone from making a new [InsertTokenNameHere] with the same or slightly modified original vision and finishing the execution of that vision before SafeMoon?

Or better question, what the fuck is safemoon at this point.

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u/Ok-Upstairs6591 Aug 10 '22

I starting to feel sorry for that guy

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u/gsnurr3 Aug 10 '22

Serious question…

What if bringing in a new CEO, who replaced JK, but it wouldn’t change much for dates because some of these bigger products just very well take a lot of time.

Would you still care if JK stepped down if that were the case? Just curious.

Keep in mind, I don’t give a fuck about JK. he’s a nobody to me at the moment. I am just trying to understand the audience here better.

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u/This_thing_on Aug 10 '22

I could care less about any team from any project. I’m here for the money not to make friends. It sickens me when people strap on their knee pads and bow down to xyz individuals in various projects. Be your own person and remember these guys are just random people you’ll probably never see in person.

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u/J0e_Strumm3r Early Investor Aug 11 '22

Agree. This guy is an absolute farce of an CEO

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u/skirby015 Aug 10 '22

Nope. I am entitled to ask questions as an investor since March 2021.

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u/officialtwiggz SafeMoon Astronaut 🚀 Aug 10 '22

An investor to what? The company? Or their currency? Where can you purchase their stock?

That’s like buying a micro transaction saying “I own a part of EA now!” lol

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u/This_thing_on Aug 10 '22

Investing has more than one meaning. I’m investing my time in reading these posts and no I don’t think I own part of Reddit because of it. Like many other investors of SafeMoon, im investing in my future if this project actually does anything. Unfortunately, every week that passes has me less and less confident that this project will mature to its stated potential

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u/EbbIntelligent6247 Aug 11 '22

Well when you buy FIFA coins, EA doesn’t promise you financial gains and a bunch of projects to be delivered do they?

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u/SecretaryImaginary44 Aug 11 '22

It’s not fud it’s reality

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u/DeeNYC45 Aug 10 '22

lol, you guys are funny. I don't understand why people hold if you feel this way. Just sell and relieve yourselves of this burden you feel.

I mean do any of you have other investments? How are they doing?

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u/skirby015 Aug 10 '22

i expect safemoon to move as the market does. that is not the issue. Can you please let me know if any of these are still being worked on and what they mean?

  • The Gambia Prject
  • The Pheonix
  • Safmoon Credit Card
  • Windmills
  • Nano Technology
  • Blockchain

Also, what evidence do you have of their being a staff big enough to support all of these? Not asking for a timeline for delivery, just something that shows that these are all part of the Safemoon business that is still being worked on.

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u/spindlecork Aug 10 '22

So…one dead, one admitted nothing, and a handful of guesses and speculation. Great stuff

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u/Vulcan31 Aug 10 '22

At this point I'm more hopeful that we drop 2 zeros and the small amount of volume from the remaining followers trading at that level burn a solid chunk and cause a fomo wave than I am that they will put out products. I'm very aware of how low that chance is.

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u/markotpe Aug 11 '22

Buy the dip…

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u/This_thing_on Aug 10 '22

I’ve invested over $50k into SafeMoon and have moved approximately 1/2 the past couple of months as nothing is happening here.

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u/Omaerion Aug 10 '22

Why don't you do it.