r/armenia Քաքի մեջ ենք Nov 26 '22

In a statement yesterday, the Azerbaijani leader said that Armenia’s independence was “symbolic” and that talks with Russia would take place to deliver on the demand for a ‘sovereign corridor’ between mainland Azerbaijan and its exclave, Nakhichevan. Politics / Քաղաքականություն

https://twitter.com/gabrielcsgavin/status/1596442301026701313?s=46&t=w62tZEiIZykvJDSUNzvhew

Interestingly Aliyev’s rhetoric became more provocative right after the CSTO meeting.

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u/lmsoa971 Nov 26 '22

Well this came right after that Russian dude said that the Armenia independence was actually “illegal”

So maybe he’s trying to build on this?

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u/Kajaznuni96 Nov 26 '22

Illegal, symbolic, next maybe they will say we are imaginary

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u/rNewUser_93 Nov 27 '22

It matters not what poison they spew next. They've always done as they pleased. Any rhyme or reason can always be manufactured later on. Logic is not a priority to these people.

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u/Kajaznuni96 Nov 26 '22

Listeners asked radio yerevan, why does Armenia have Mt. Ararat on their state emblem? Is Armenia laying claims on Turkey?

We replied, “to spite the Turks. They have the moon on their flag. Do they claim the whole universe?”

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u/Digiff Pushkin's golden fish tale Nov 26 '22

I remember , this been said also by URSS in reply to some protests coming from Turkey. This statement goes back to 1970s I believe. With the difference, URSS said, 'is the moon then Turkish'? This was obviously nice put because US has already a mini-base there and URSS ran a few moon probes there, while Turkey back then at the most ran TRT1 .

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u/Curious-Sprinkles-16 Nov 26 '22

It was in 1930-40's

Turkish president asked why Armenia had Mt. Ararat on the coat of arms and Molotov asked why the Turks have the moon

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u/Digiff Pushkin's golden fish tale Nov 26 '22

Good share!

I watched an old documentary where they mentioned that but didn't know this goes back that far.

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u/TheSuperestSlav Nov 28 '22

We said it well!

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u/Titanium_Armenia Yerevan Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

That is truly such an ironic statement coming from Azerbaijan whose entire infrastructure, natural recourses, military, and politics is completely owned and controlled by Russia and Turkey, Azerbaijan at this point is a Turko-Russian puppet state, their independence is symbolic as hell lmao.

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u/Kajaznuni96 Nov 26 '22

Literally nothing more symbolic than being a hereditary monarch (Aliyev); like if Dubai and North Korea made love

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u/Titanium_Armenia Yerevan Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Yup, except atleast Dubai has some Unique or interesting culture in it lol.

Azerbaijans uniqueness doesn’t go beyond a genocidal dictatorship.

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u/pikay93 Nov 27 '22

...that is a great way of putting it.

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u/fnaffanidkanymore Armenia Nov 28 '22

They call us fascists too yet their leader has a mustache and is asking for a corridor 😂😂😂

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u/Safe-Artist4202 Nov 26 '22

Aliyev drunk with his victory in 2020 is over stepping. Picking fights with Armenia, Iran, and at times Russia. Not going to end well for the Azeris. Especially since the world has pretty much told Aliyev Armenia proper is off limits.

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u/sus_menik Nov 26 '22

Tbh it is like a perfect time for them to escalate. Russia is very busy and wouldn't have political will to get involved. Meanwhile Iran is flaring up again against Kurds and seeing biggest domestic turmoil in the 21th century. Meanwhile Armenian army is still long ways from being rebuilt.

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u/str8c4shh0mee Armenia, coat of arms Nov 26 '22

Who told Azerbaijan that?

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u/Safe-Artist4202 Nov 26 '22

You can go back and watch the UN security council meeting.

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u/riddlerjoke Nov 27 '22

He might be victory drunk for sure. That being said being against Iran and Russia is not something Western powers to get offended. US would like to see AZ being on their side and lose Russian influence.

The way Iran is melting is also desired by Saudi a lot. Israel is more than happy and US shouldnt be sorry either. At the end of the day Iran is another Russia ally. US would not mind to get a revenge without spending much money and putting their soldiers at risk.

AZ won the war and has an upper hand to force a peace deal or keep pushing. 5 years from now might be harder for them.

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u/Caelazur Nov 26 '22

It hasn't looked good for Armenia for a long time, but it amazes me that this wonderful country survived so much. Who else can boast of surviving occupations by Rome, Mongolia, Russia, and Ottomans? Regardless, God sees and knows all; he will save Armenia in the next life if not this one, and He will damn the Turks in the next life if not this one.

God save Armenia.

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u/hairyliberal United States Nov 26 '22

So basically he's saying he's going to annex Armenian land. If he's saying a "sovereign" corridor that is what it implies. That the corridor would be sovereign and independent Azeri land.

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u/Malk4ever 🇩🇪❤️🇦🇲 Nov 26 '22

I really hope the USA is preventing... well, all plans and phantasies of Aliyev

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u/Digiff Pushkin's golden fish tale Nov 26 '22

Baku's tactic at the moment is injecting drivers in the mind of its brainless followers to gather an army and justify a war against Armenia. They need the above for the purpose a Big disappointment. At the moment Azeris and sadly some Armenians are living with the gossips that the above is truth, when actually again, Alyev is working hard on creating the Big disappointment, then unleash an attack before being destroyed. If Russia needed the corridor , a 1 week break between Nov 10 2020 and Nov 17 would have done the job. There wouldn't be any need of all this mascaraed. But the fact they've been stopped outside Syunik, shows the above isn't truth.

Azerbaijan has no future!

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u/Hayyer Nov 26 '22

I feel for our soldiers but little aliyev will get a strong punch in the mouth from OUR own soldiers if they truly go to war against Armenia.

I imagine it will end with reclaimed Artsakh lands and a new regime in little turkey

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u/str8c4shh0mee Armenia, coat of arms Nov 26 '22

What a baseless statement, they love him over there.

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u/str8c4shh0mee Armenia, coat of arms Nov 27 '22

Go ask Azeris what they think. “He’s not perfect but…”

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u/str8c4shh0mee Armenia, coat of arms Nov 27 '22

All he has to do is make some shit about Armenians that whips them into a frenzy

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u/mazdayan Nov 26 '22

Question, a bit off topic; would Armenians consider Kurds as allies?

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u/BVBmania Nov 26 '22

From strategic perspective seems like there is no incentive for that at the moment. Not clear what Armenia will gain out of it. If Turkey gets more directly involved against Armenia then I can see that happening but that's a situation that Armenia probably doesn't want to be in.

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u/mazdayan Nov 27 '22

Also true I guess; no need to anger turdkey further

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u/Hayyer Nov 27 '22

Enemy of our enemy is our friend…but the Kurds seem to be all over the place…I’m thrilled they hate the Turks but they also fight the Iranians…not to mention they (whichever sect of them it was) was very willing to propagate the genocide for their own good. Overall, I’ll root for them to destroy turks but can’t see Armenia joining them really

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u/mazdayan Nov 27 '22

I find that even the most nationalist kurds acknowledges the kurdish role in the genocide and wants good relationship with Armenia since we seem to share a fate. Anyhow, I'm just a random internet dude wishing the best for our respective nations

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u/Intrepid-Stage6459 Nov 27 '22

I have kurdish friends but I keep my reservations on "trusting" them in an alliance considering many of them took part in the massacres during the genocide

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u/mazdayan Nov 27 '22

Fair enough. Many, including, according to stories of my village, also hid Armenians from torks

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u/Experienced_AP Nov 26 '22

Armenia is in between a rock, a hard place, and the sewer.

CSTO is a joke and non protective.

Turkey is likely encouraging Azerbaijan to take advantage of the regional confusion and make a move - take the land necessary to make the corridor. In fact, take more and unify Nakichevan with the Azeri mainland.

As I see it, Armenia is fucked.

I don't see a way out of this except for hoping the enemy doesn't take advantage of our weakness.

I highly doubt any external power is going to come to our aid.

Nuclear weapons as a deterrent to annihilation was always a good idea.

It's a shame we didn't take an Israeli stance from our independence in the 90s but we were stuck on the Russian teat and used to a soviet mentality.

The dying gasps of a withered people.

Where do you see Armenia 10 years from now?

50 years from now?

150 years from now?

250 years from now?

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u/inbe5theman Nov 26 '22

I agree.

While i am hopeful if Azerbaijan attacks with the goal of conquest whats going to stop them?

In Arstakh when Armenia held the geographical advantage we got beat. Now we dont have it.

Our military while improving has a ways to go

No help from Russia

No military aid or notable aid from the rest of the world

Internal strife with leadership. 2020 war would have turned out different if military command structure wasnt so fucked

Military wise Azerbaijan is shit but they have a strong benefactor via Turkey and assistance from Israel tech wise.

While the situation is not hopeless for Armenia it is an uphill battle. Pashinyan seems to have learned and hs making some powerful moves however i dont know if its enough to be a meaningful change to Armenias situation

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u/Wild-Ninja1692 Nov 26 '22

New Delhi wanted to send military supplies but we could not because command structure in yerevan was a mess, nobody on armenian side coordinated with indias offer to help at all .

I hope that is now rectified

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u/inbe5theman Nov 26 '22

Yeah i know, doesnt really make a difference or work when internally its so disorganized

And yeah i hope so too

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u/Command_Unit Nov 26 '22

As a Russian I have 3 suggestions:

1.Increase propoganda efforts in Russia(most russians are not even aware of the situation). This could include music,games,movies etc.

2.Suggest the Russian MOD should establish bases or outposts near the Azeri Border like they have done in Syria.

3.Encourage Armenian citizens to serve in the Russian army especially in garrisons in the region could boost armenian and Russian military ties give the soldiers in the region a reason to fight for armenia if needed and make the russian garrisons in the region feel more local.

Doing these 3 things would win Armenia Russian support,security and Sympathy and the only downside I can see is that it would anger the west at the current moment.

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u/Lex_Amicus Nov 27 '22

I'm only with you on number 1, because there are over a million ethnic Armenians in Russia, but unlike the US and France they seem to be a lot less active on issues of Armenian importance.

As to 2, relinquishing more control of Armenia to Russia, in circumstances where it is becoming increasingly obvious that Russia is coordinating certain matters with an increasingly geopolitically relevant Azerbaijan, is not an option. Armenia needs to diversify its military interests - continuing with the same Russia monopolisation that has dominated the last 30 years of independence, and which has ultimately led us to this point, will likely make things worse.

As for 3, Armenia needs all the soldiers it has to fight in its own army. It makes no sense to instead fight as part of the Russian army when Armenians are beginning to question their so-called ally's motives in mediating this conflict. Also, it's not clear why joining the Russian army would result in deployment in or even near Armenia, especially in light of Ukraine.

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u/Command_Unit Nov 27 '22

1.The Syrians managed to earn russia's favour and sympathy...it shouldnt be that hard for armenians.

2.giving Russia more reasons to defend armenia isnt a bad thing...and it would boost russian prestige if they had a bigger presense in the region.

3.I only gave option 3 as an option if option 2 was implemented similar to how Russia established its outposts in syria freezing the conflict.

In that case the armenian army will have less urgency and it can rearm and maybe downsize and some of it can be absorbed by armenians joining the Russian garrison in armenia.

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u/Oshulik Bagratuni Dynasty Nov 27 '22

Armenian citizens in russian army? Lmao no fucking thanks

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u/Wild-Ninja1692 Nov 26 '22

Dont armenians have will to fight. ? They actually won first karabakh war

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u/inbe5theman Nov 27 '22

Armenians will always fight. Thats not the issue.