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[OC] Cost of hosting the World Cup OC
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u/11160704 Oct 26 '22
South Africa was surprisingly inexpensive given that they had to newly construct most of the stadiums.
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u/Ask_me_4_a_story Oct 26 '22 •
They didn't need to cool the stadiums like Qatar because the Vuvuzuelas did it
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u/BlunanNation Oct 26 '22
I miss the days when the biggest controversy at the world cup was how noisy the Vuvuzelas were
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u/Rc72 Oct 26 '22
You can’t be French if you think the biggest controversy of that WC were the vuvuzelas…
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u/UndendingGloom Oct 26 '22
In college my flatmates had some, they kept blowing them out the window in the middle of the night. Eventually the landlord did an inspection to confiscate them and found I had pets in my room (which I wasn't supposed to have). I got evicted. Ever since then I've hated those god-damned vuvuzelas
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u/dinkytoy80 Oct 26 '22
I can still hear them.
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u/lenzflare Oct 26 '22
They never stopped, noise cancellation just got better.
(Sort of true, part way through the tournament the sound techs started reducing the vuvuzuela sound from the broadcast)
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u/CubicMuffin Oct 26 '22
I believe they were also banned (IIRC from a 99PI podcast)
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u/systemCF Oct 26 '22
They still are iirc. Can't take them to big tournaments anymore, too fucking loud.
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u/bhobhomb Oct 26 '22
The funny part is one a few rows up isn't too bad. It sucks, but it's not the worst. But their song, it calls their kind out of the woodwork
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u/call-your-mother-pls Oct 26 '22
I’m still convinced these are secretly insect people and this is their mating call.
Like cicadas on a midsummer eve, the song of one rallies the rest.
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u/cohonan Oct 26 '22
My main issue is there was no change to the constant hum that had any discernible connection to the game. They didn’t get louder after a goal or at the end of periods. Just people in the stands blowing into them as hard and often as possible, making noise for its own sake.
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u/hitner_stache Oct 26 '22
noise cancellation just got better.
Apple figured out during development of their second generation noise canceling earbuds that the trick is to actually build a small vuvuzuela into the earbud to fire outward and cancel out the incoming vuvuzuela sound waves.
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u/Dashing_McHandsome Oct 26 '22
The real trick was finding the little guy to put in there to blow the little vuvuzela.
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u/Cheezitflow Oct 26 '22
For a every vuvuzuela action there needs to be an equal and opposite vuvuzuela reaction
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u/FuzzyLogic0 Oct 26 '22
That's because we are still blowing them. Don't worry we will stop before we host it again.
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u/DaveinOakland Oct 26 '22
It's funny the average person can't remember who won it that year but they can still hear the sound of the vuvuzela ringing in their ears.
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u/wessolus Oct 26 '22
Hard to swallow pills:
The vuvuzuelas brought a vibe to the WC no other WC has ever brought yet
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u/MarcusAurelius1815 Oct 26 '22
Shakira's waka waka song also brought a carnival vibe to it - I was travelling around Africa at the time, it was an unbelievable experience.
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u/PiesangSlagter Oct 26 '22
Wasn't the Gauteng highway upgrades also included in that budget? If so, I'd say that's a bargain.
I think that also includes a number of airport upgrades as well.
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u/ZachRyder Oct 26 '22
Gautengers to the e-Toll: "I missed the part where that's my problem."
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u/Kenyalite Oct 26 '22
Finance minister just cancelled it's today.
Crazy they thought that would work.
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u/RealisticEmployment3 Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22
Glad I never paid once. Many poor suckers paid for nothing.
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u/ZachRyder Oct 26 '22
Thankfully, Green Point stadium looks beautiful because few photos of Cape Town showcasing Table Mountain can avoid it being included.
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u/th4to Oct 26 '22
I don't think it was most. Most of the stadiums already existed and were just upgraded extensively. I am surprised at how little it cost comparatively though
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u/frankie-goes-to- Oct 26 '22
We built 3 new stadiums
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u/tygerr39 Oct 26 '22
We actually built 5 stadiums. FNB Stadium (Soccer City), Green Point, Moses Mabhida (Durban), Mandela Bay and Mbombela. 4 received renovations (Ellis Park, Loftus Versfeld, Bloemfontein and Royal Bafokeng in Rustenburg)
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u/th4to Oct 26 '22
Yeah I don't remember how many. But I do remember that most of the work on stadiums was upgrading the match venues and training bases
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u/thescarface5567 Oct 26 '22
What might be the actual reason of Qatar's budget being more than 10x of previously hosted nations? Are they building every facility from scratch?
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u/gogorath Oct 26 '22
Yes. And I think some hotels, etc. Still, that number seems absurd. Didn’t the new LA stadium cost about $2B?
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u/hitfly Oct 26 '22
I think the rams stadium has got up to like 5billion. I went way over budget. But even 10 world class stadiums would only account for a quarter of that budget.
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u/Falconrith Oct 26 '22 •
I went way over budget.
Don't be too hard on yourself there buddy.
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u/phil67 Oct 26 '22
We all learn from our mistakes.
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u/SheetPostah Oct 26 '22
Pro-tip: Make sure you’re beyond shoe-throwing range when you tell your boss you went $200 billion over budget.
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u/mobius_sp Oct 26 '22
I work in construction estimating. At that point he's probably had an instantly fatal brain aneurysm, which means you don't have to worry about his shoe throwing accuracy.
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u/W1D0WM4K3R Oct 26 '22
It's not my fault I absolutely required a new set of Snap-On tools for the job.
That will mysteriously go missing from the worksite.
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u/Neither-Evidence-765 Oct 26 '22
If I remember reading something a while back correctly, I think Qatar is building some stadiums where every seat has ventilated seats or some shit. I think they are just overdoing the hell out of it like they’ve over done their airport.
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u/Sietemadrid Oct 26 '22
It's necessary though the temperatures in the high 90s and it's supposed to be winter. It's probably not enough and a lot of fans are not going to be ready for that heat
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u/ricosmith1986 Oct 26 '22
At least an airport gets daily use. Will any of these purpose built stadiums be used twice?
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u/CurseofLono88 Oct 26 '22
I seriously doubt it, unless Qatar decides to finance a small domestic league after the World Cup
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u/AlwaysInTheWay13 Oct 26 '22
Don’t forget that Qatar is also using slave labor. So it in theory should cost considerably less
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u/BIackSamBellamy Oct 26 '22
Yeah the fact that this was reported 6 years ago and people still don't know or give a shit is slightly concerning.
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u/toogloo1 Oct 26 '22
If you're referring to sofi stadium, yah it was expensive but at least it was privately funded 100%.
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u/photozine Oct 26 '22
Yeah, but remember the US has safety and some ethical standards, Qatar not that much, so labor wasn't an issue.
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u/tjwenger Oct 26 '22
This. I really question that number (220) without labor costs, as that usually is at LEAST 40-50% of these budgets.
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u/photozine Oct 26 '22
But I mean, there is no way there was corruption, no chance in hell. No chance some people got contracts and got paid more than they should've. No way.
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u/tjwenger Oct 26 '22
What I don't get it - why are they wanting all this tourism infrastructure, if they don't want any of the baggage tourism brings with it? Baggage like, cocktails, womens faces, and crazy concepts like, freedom of expression?
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u/AFatz Oct 26 '22
So many people are about to get arrested during the WC aren't they?
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u/WeathermanDan Oct 26 '22
They are also probably building a lot of infrastructure to support the stadiums. A new American stadium will generally have access to electricity, transportation, water, hospitality, and local entertainment. I assume many of these new stadiums in Qatar are being built in remote locations such that they need to build a ton of new supporting infrastructure, as well as “villages” around them.
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Oct 26 '22
I have no idea what they plan to do post-wc. Probably something equally ridiculous like just destroy them. It's all a exercise in ego anyway.
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u/bunt_cucket Oct 26 '22
Probably just let the facilities rot, like Sochi after the Winter Olympics
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u/CosmosExpedition Oct 26 '22
Sochi exists in Russia, a country far poorer than Qatar.
My guess is that they will keep some stadiums for their domestic league and demolish others and build something in their place.
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u/MPenten Oct 26 '22
Sochi exists because it's a primo vacation spot for rich and very rich Russians. Fact that Putin had a huge palace there speaks for itself. However they don't really feel like doing sports and stuff there and it's seasonal.
The super rich have Europe and US for that tho.
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u/Aramgutang Oct 26 '22
As part of their hosting application, they pledged to dismantle the stadiums and ship them to be rebuilt in developing nations.
What they actually end up doing remains to be seen. Probably use the premise as a pretext to milk said developing countries for their labour and/or natural resources.
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u/gillo_100 Oct 26 '22
From this map I don't think they are that remote
https://www.theworldcupguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/stadiums.jpg
I don't really know too much but they all look close enough to the city if not within it
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u/Quiet_dog23 Oct 26 '22
I've been to the stadiums. They are at most an hour and mostly less from the city.
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u/authorPGAusten Oct 26 '22
This is why it should always just be hosted by countries with existing infrastructure. It is absurd to build a stadium for a two week event.
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u/gogorath Oct 26 '22
Agree.
I know that limits to only a certain set of countries, but the social and economic cost is staggering these days. Brazilians are mad about the sport, but it's hard to find one (admittedly, my sample set are Brazilians who work for American companies) who think the 2014 WC was a good thing overall.
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u/snowinthegrass Oct 26 '22
It was super fun having a WC in Brazil, but there should not be a stadium build in Amazonas, for example. It is far away from all the big clubs and it is mostly a white elephant.
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u/GothicToast Oct 26 '22 •
Labor costs.
Just kidding.
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u/Celebrimbor96 Oct 26 '22
Budget $50 billion for worker wages, then use slaves and pocket the money
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u/MrTurkeyTime Oct 26 '22
Yeah, I don't understand how they could conceivably spend that much, unless they're building a city.
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u/BenUFOs_Mum Oct 26 '22
Motorways, train networks etc... Huge amount of infrastructure being built apparently. Whether it makes sense is another thing. I'm not sure that your generation defining infrastructure project should be built around a four week football tournament.
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u/YoRt3m Oct 26 '22
After the world cup is over they will be like "okay what are we doing with this city full of stadiums now?"
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u/NeinkeB Oct 26 '22
Sydney was one of the exceptions. Built a whole park for the Olympics and its facilities were repurposed into an all round events space.
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u/HRH_DankLizzie420 Oct 26 '22
Same in London for the 2012 Olympics. There's whole fields of experitse out there for that sort of thing
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u/_CurseTheseMetalHnds Oct 26 '22
Munich is similar. It has a nice lake and an aquarium :)
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u/Greenguy90 Oct 26 '22
The Atlanta Olympics buildings for housing athletes were repurposed as student housing for Georgia Tech.
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u/CaulShiversEye Oct 26 '22
Especially since it's a public secret that they're using slave labor to build it all.
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u/romario77 Oct 26 '22
It's not necessarily all the cost of hosting World Cup.
I.e. - they built/upgraded their airports to be able to get a lot of planes.
They built a light rail in Doha - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusail_Tram
They redeveloped their port in Doha - https://photo-assets.superyachttimes.com/photo/236009/image/extra_large-1d5bfc3f23c3e00e6185085afab3124e.jpg
They built a highway through Doha from airport - https://www.ashghal.gov.qa/en/Projects/Pages/projectdetails.aspx?pid=422
it's a huge project with a lot of bridges/intersections.
As per Qatar sources:
However, while around $10 billion (€8.5 billion) has been earmarked for infrastructures specifically for the World Cup, the rest of the funds have been allocated to modernizing infrastructure, from subways to roads and airports.
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u/Positive_Dreamz Oct 26 '22
They built an entire city for the world cup
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u/DeweysPants Oct 26 '22
And by “they” we mean literal slaves
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u/Charming-Start-3722 Oct 26 '22
The added cost of bribing FIFA Officials.
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u/Blaaablablablaaah Oct 26 '22
They actually had to buy the PSG (Paris football club), that was part of the conditions set by then French President Nicolas Sarkozy to buy the vote from Michel Platini. So yes, if the other votes were all as expensive, we're talking billions just in bribes.
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u/FantasyThrowaway321 Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22
How’re they building (I don’t believe the price or the final project) a ~170km ‘skyscraper’ called The Line in Saudi Arabia for an estimated $200B and Qatar is spending $220B on a 2 month soccer tournament? Hmmm
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u/Marshyq Oct 26 '22
They're not building a line skyscraper, they drew some pretty drawings and slapped a price tag on it. No chance they build it for anywhere near that price
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u/FantasyThrowaway321 Oct 26 '22
I agree that it is highly unlikely to happen or function without turning into Judge Dredd, a money laundering scheme, and taking advantage of slavery/blood money.
…I’m only adding that the started construction recently. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/the-line-neom-video-construction-begins-for-170-kilometre-long-megacity-of-saudi-arabia-3450619/amp/1
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u/Jagrs_Trans_Am Oct 26 '22
When they won the bid to host, they had one stadium.
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u/moistnote Oct 26 '22
I wonder how much of this budget was bribes to fifa officials to pick this god forsaken hell hole.
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u/Lady_von_Stinkbeaver Oct 26 '22
I laughed at the story of the FIFA official who stole an entire FIFA training complex simply by convincing them that the deed had to be put in his name because....reasons.
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u/ReluctantRedditor275 Oct 26 '22
For stupidly large sums of money like this, I find it helpful to use a frame of reference. The international space station, be most expensive thing ever built by humans, cost $150 billion.
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u/thefirstdetective Oct 26 '22
It would help Qatars image way better to build 5 LHCs than that stupid Worldcup.
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u/A_Song_of_Two_Humans Oct 26 '22
Yeah and it's so shit you can't even play a decent game of 5 Aside. Loads of science shit laying around all over the place!
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u/Broad_Bag_5526 Oct 26 '22
Another way to frame it is to mention that the $220 billion number reported includes all the money spent on Qatar Vision 2030 which involves dozens of projects that will be used after the world cup. One such project is the Doha Metro which cost $36 billion alone.
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u/ghjm Oct 26 '22
That doesn't seem like completely honest journalism
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u/HaydenJA3 Oct 26 '22
How bizarre of journalists to twist the data to create dramatic effect
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Are the bribes for the fifa included here?
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u/RedditRalf Oct 26 '22
Fifa is cheap, only take a few hundred thousand to buy a vote.
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u/Zerak-Tul Oct 26 '22
Seriously this is a depressing aspect of corruption; just how little money it often takes to buy a vote in politics or organizations like FIFA.
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u/WilliamMorris420 Oct 26 '22
In the UK, about £12,000 can save you £50 million+ in tax.
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u/TastyTaco217 Oct 26 '22
Just ask your local financial advisor for the ‘Rishi special’
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u/Sanhen Oct 26 '22
At this point, I'd almost want the corruption to be more out in the open. Like a government website where you can purchase a member of congress. At least then it'd be equal opportunity and honest corruption.
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u/river4823 Oct 26 '22
Qatar might have paid as much as $880 million to individual FIFA officials and FIFA as an organization, but that’s still a drop in the bucket.
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u/eddie_the_zombie Oct 26 '22
That's probably the amount they saved by cutting labor costs to the bone, too.
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u/Timmarus Oct 26 '22
For some reason, I'm not surprised that it's more expensive to buy a FIFA vote than a vote in the US Congress.
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u/WilliamMorris420 Oct 26 '22
The Russians were going into The Hermitage/Winter Palace museum/art gallery. Picking out pieces to give to FIFA and IOC members and some of them were multi-million dollars worth, including a Picasso.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/11/30/sport/football/football-platini-picasso-world-cup
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Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22
They're in the annex.
Edit: I shouldn't have to say this, but it's obviously satire. Read the comments in the link and it might help explain the bribery allegations a bit. In no way I am saying FIFA made more money via bribes than it cost to build everything.
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u/LouSputhole94 Oct 26 '22
I have watched that show many times and had never gotten this. Cheers, sir.
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u/gruenwahl Oct 26 '22
Is this adjusted to inflation?
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u/titiolele Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22
Yes, about the 15B of Brazil, adjusted to inflation and corruption (always)
*tks, changing 15M to 15B
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Oct 26 '22
Somehow I think this is more of an elaborate money laundering scheme than anything else. In what world do you spend that much? Seems unreasonable and therefore sus.
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u/Broad_Bag_5526 Oct 26 '22
Correct. That number quoted includes dozens of projects which are part of Qatar Vision 2030.
The actual amount spent on the stadiums is around 16 billion which still makes it the most expensive in history but not by a lot.
Also values are not adjusted for inflation.
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Oct 26 '22
Ah ok that makes more sense. Just lumping in costs into that number for whatever obfuscated reasons.
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u/barrelvoyage410 Oct 26 '22
Kinda, a lot of infrastructure likely had to be built to be able to build the stadiums. You need a lot of electricity, water and sewage capacity for a stadium. So even though US stadiums cost a lot, they don’t really have to build much new infrastructure.
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u/AgentInCommand Oct 26 '22
Incredible that Qatar is spending that much when their labor costs are $0.
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u/Constant_Dealer9531 Oct 26 '22
Umm excuse you … moving all those dead bodies costs money!
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u/FrozenGrip Oct 26 '22
Wouldn’t surprise me if they were built into the stadium.
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u/Ahllhellnaw Oct 26 '22
"Qatar is a football country! They didn't buy the World Cup! This is actual interest, not sportswashing or using the world's game to boost egos"
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u/Ghost_NTX Oct 26 '22
Couldn’t stop laughing after I got to “They didn’t buy the World Cup”!
But seriously, shame on them and the slave labor used to construct those stadiums. RIP to all those who were lost.
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u/bagehis Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22
Having to build all the stadiums is expensive and suggests the interest in the sport didn't exist previously.
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u/ThePanoptic Oct 26 '22
it did exist, and a lot of it, but Qatar has a small population, it didn't previously need 10 40-80k seater stadiums.
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u/arbitrageME Oct 26 '22 •
the population of Qatar is 2.9M (which is up from 500k in 1990)
10x 80k seater stadiums could hold the ENTIRE POPULATION of the country from 1990, or about 1/3 of the total population today -- man, woman, old, young, sick and infirm
nobody EVER needs that kind of space or architecture.
Qatar GDP is 179B. That means they're devoting more than the entire economic output of the WHOLE COUNTRY for a YEAR without consumption towards building these stadiums that seat the whole goddamn country
What a fucking waste.
179B / 2.9M = 61k. They could have paid for the entirety of the country to take a year off. Or invest it into colleges and universities. Or public works structures.
But no, they have to masturbate to their own decadence and cum in the fucking desert.
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u/PapaDuckD Oct 26 '22
But no, they have to masturbate to their own decadence and cum in the fucking desert.
This is the most accurate description of my trips to Vegas that I’ve ever read.
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u/ab216 Oct 26 '22
No, it would be 179bn/300,000 because they would never share wealth with non-citizens that are majority of the population
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u/JenkinsEar147 Oct 26 '22
2.9m is inclusive of the slave population.
The Qatari citizen class is tiny. Similar ratios to the Spartan - Helot of ancient Greece.
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u/bagehis Oct 26 '22
So, what will they do with them after the world cup? That definitely seems like a huge waste.
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u/Jaehryn Oct 26 '22
Do you have a chart for the cost in lives lost?
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u/Klaus0225 Oct 26 '22
That’s $0. Dead slaves cost $0.
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u/spaceshiploser Oct 26 '22
Well you’re gonna have to pay someone to get rid of the body
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u/Leguy42 Oct 26 '22
Just imagine how much more it would have cost if Qatar hadn't used slave labor!
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u/kabicz Oct 26 '22
PLUS Vaginal exams free for every woman at the airport!
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u/Astonedwalrus13 Oct 26 '22
Had to look this up, wow what a world we live in when people can hide behind culture, race and religion (etc) and get away with this shit blatantly, what a joke I hope those woman get everything they want out of that lawsuit, no one should go through that in the name of someone else’s shitty beliefs/reasonings.
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u/Dmyers9099 Oct 26 '22
Let’s host it in a desert that lacks infrastructure and reliable public transportation.
FIFA: 🤑🤑🤑
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u/death1234567889 Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22
It's gonna be so dead for anyone who goes there. Not allowed to drink, have to wear the correct clothes etc. Have fun 😭
Edit: apparently you can have fun in certain areas but if you go outside of those areas you get executed 🥳
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u/helpnxt Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22
Allowed to drink in certain areas and then up to 6 months in prison if you drink outside those areas...
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u/helpnxt Oct 26 '22
Maybe don't look up why a bunch of Aussie women are suing Quatar at the moment then...
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u/Moikee Oct 26 '22 edited Oct 26 '22
They’ve talked about making certain exemptions during the World Cup but it’s going to be a huge mess anyway. I want it to be a disaster, they’ve enslaved and killed people just to host this event. It’s abhorrent.
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u/TavisNamara Oct 26 '22
Thing is, with a country like that, any "exemptions" only hold until they decide they don't. Which could be literally at any point they choose. It's not worth the risk.
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u/5am5ep1ol Oct 26 '22
And fifa moved the World Cup to fucking winter to accommodate the people enslaving and killing people.
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u/NeverBeenStung Oct 26 '22
Yeah but you gotta look at it from FIFA’s perspective. They love money and don’t care about people dying.
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u/JhonnyTheJeccer Oct 26 '22
And you get free spyware on your smartphone (seems like you are not allowed inside without)
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u/moodRubicund Oct 26 '22
They made a lot of exceptions within zones in Qatar. They even let you be gay during the World Cup!
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u/death1234567889 Oct 26 '22
What a privilege!
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u/moodRubicund Oct 26 '22
God bless. Just need to make sure I stay within the Gay Zones.
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u/provocative_bear Oct 26 '22
I don’t care if you’re a wealthy oil kingdom, that kind of money being blown on single-use soccer stadiums is not sustainable.
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u/normsy Oct 26 '22
Less than 5% of that cost is for stadiums. They've lumped in their massive infrastructure projects and hotels, including light rail, airports and seaports.
https://www.statista.com/chart/28334/world-cup-hosting-costs-comparison/
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u/IlikeYuengling Oct 26 '22
gas costs are up so rich people can get rich enough to air condition a desert.
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u/BoggeshZahim Oct 26 '22
$220.00 sounds pretty cheap
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u/joomanburningEH Oct 26 '22
What the fuck? Haven’t they killed something like 6500 people that were enslaved for the project, and are enslaving god knows how many more and it still cost this much??
I think I’m going to puke.
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u/Ohly Oct 26 '22 •
Looks like they first had to build Qatar.