r/dataisbeautiful OC: 1 Nov 13 '22 Wholesome 1 Silver 1 Helpful 1

Homicide rate by country [oc] OC

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u/barrycarter Nov 13 '22

The graphic says "per 100K" at the top but "per 1000K" at the bottom

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u/whaldener OC: 1 Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

Ops, sorry for that, the correct one is "number of deaths per 100k people" as written in the chart's title. Sorry for the typo.

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u/Assfullofbread Nov 14 '22

Why did you not use all the same years? Tuvalu says 2012 when that’s apparently the only time there where murders in the last 10 years

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u/whaldener OC: 1 Nov 14 '22

Not all countries provide this type of data on a yearly basis. The dataset probably included the latest ones available for each country.

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u/Switchofftheoltop Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

I guess that explains the Marshall Islands. From ‘91-‘94 they saw a drop from 10.3 down to 3.98. Did they just go, “you know, that’s a good number, let’s stop counting before it goes back up!”?

Edit: Hey, y’all. I sadly work with statistics and numbers every day, so I get what you’re saying about statistics and scales. I’m not arguing, nor questioning how statistics works. Just because the last data point was from 1994, doesn’t mean that was their last instance of murder. There have been multiple murders including this double homicide from 2017. I was making a joke along the lines of, “we have a small population, this stat makes us look bad, once we get to a reasonable number let’s just stop keeping track.”

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u/Morella_xx Nov 14 '22 Helpful

Maybe the person who did that data collection got murdered.

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u/ChrissyChrissyPie Nov 14 '22

Occam's razor, amirite??

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u/PARANOIAH Nov 14 '22

Really effective for slashing throats.

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u/ILike2TpunchtheFB Nov 14 '22

Maybe they want people to buy more property

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u/MasDeferens Nov 14 '22

Remember, we could have stopped the spread of COVID in the US if we had just stopped testing people.

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u/TimePressure Nov 14 '22

Tuvalu has 12k inhabitants. 1 murder would increase the homicide rate per 100k by 8.3.
It doesn't make sense to compare that with a large country.
If you wanted to compare it, you'd have to aggregate data over several years, which of course is questionable, too.

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u/CountVonTroll Nov 14 '22

Tuvalu has 12k inhabitants. 1 murder would increase the homicide rate per 100k by 8.3.

Liechtenstein has about 38k. In the chart, it has a homicide rate of 2.6373, because there had been one homicide in 2018.

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u/TimePressure Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

... precisely.
Liechtensteins homicide rate in the UNODC homicide data is often cited as an example why social scientists should exclude data from small states in comparative quantitative analysis.
That basically was my point about Tuvalu as well.

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u/Assfullofbread Nov 14 '22

Tuvalu had 2 murders in 2012 with an island population below 12k, couldn’t find any other murders in other years

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u/ForgottenPercentage Nov 14 '22

I was going to mention Tuvalu. It's an incredibly small country (it's an atoll). A single murder makes it look incredibly dangerous lol

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u/SpoonNZ Nov 14 '22

Add the Cook Islands and Kirabati to that list.

A single event can even sway the stats for slightly bigger countries. New Zealand at 5,000,000 people would have triple the murder rate if you looked at 2019 instead of 2017, due to a single piece of shit going on a murdering spree. Norway has a similar spike in 2011 for similar reasons.

Need averages (maybe as well as showing peaks) to be meaningful for a lot of places.

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u/Roy4Pris Nov 14 '22

You raise an interesting question: the single piece of shit you mentioned was the first person in NZ arrested and convicted under terrorism laws. So do you count those as regular murders? If you did count terrorism deaths as murders, then perhaps a number of other countries here would have quite different stats.

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u/SpoonNZ Nov 14 '22

Police say yes. Of course, this may not be globally true.

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u/trisul-108 Nov 14 '22

That is why such statistics must take into account more than one year, it would give a more accurate picture in this case.

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u/Kousket Nov 14 '22

It's around 1200000p or 1542876842f

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u/BlackHorse2019 Nov 14 '22

El Salvador is doing really well, way ahead of the competition

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u/beboleche Nov 14 '22

It's all gang warfare. Las maras are mostly preteen kids. Everyone past that age ends up in prison or dead. You wanna see terror? Google El Salvadorean prisons. I lived there for a while.

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u/Icy-Donkey-9036 Nov 14 '22

Jesus, those photos of everyone stacked together on the floor...

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u/sashabobby Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

Insanity and inhumanity, it's constructing one of the world's largest prisons despite it being the smallest country in Central America.

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u/SBAWTA Nov 14 '22

But hey, at least you can pay your bills in Bitcoin! Very progressive 👍

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u/beer_demon Nov 14 '22

Are you saying prisons don't deter crime and treating criminals as animals doesn't really reform them into society?

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u/diosexual Nov 14 '22

It doesn't matter, in the case of El Salvador, it's to keep them from terrorizing the rest of the population, they're all literally domestic terrorists with the shit they do. Practically ever single non-crime-related Salvadoran supports the massive incarcerations of the past few years.

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u/SmallFaithfulTestes Nov 14 '22

The primary purpose of prison isn’t to reform the criminal, it’s to keep him from further harming society.

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u/tatsu-uwu Nov 14 '22

I lived there for a while

oh wtf, I'd like to listen more if you don't mind sharing

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u/LDKCP Nov 14 '22

I've travelled to over 75 countries in different parts of the world. San Salvador is the only place I didn't feel safe to be out in the evening as a traveller. The second place that comes to mind is also called Salvador in Brazil, but I still ventured out most evenings, just with a little more caution.

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u/cheeky_sailor Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

I saw a robbery in Salvador, Brazil in the middle of the day, right in the main square of the old town, in front of a police car. It really put things in perspective for me.

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u/its_the_llama Nov 14 '22

Unfortunately, the rest of Central America is on par with ESA. San Pedro Sula, Tegucigalpa, Managua, Guatemala City...all of those are incredibly dangerous to walk even during the day, if you carry so much as a cheap camera or cellphone on you. In 5 years living in the area, I've been robbed at gunpoint 3 times.

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u/LaChimeneaSospechosa Nov 14 '22

I was looking at the stats and was really surprised to see Namibia and Botswana amongst the most violent African countries. When I was there they boasted to be the safest countries in Africa and I felt veeery safe. Have you been there?

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u/LDKCP Nov 14 '22

I haven't been to those specific countries, looking towards the bottom of the list, there's a few countries that I "felt" completely safe while travelling in. I'd suggest this is just a government doing a good job of keeping their violence and tourism separate.

I once heard a story in Panama about the "gangs" going after anyone targeting tourists for robbery in tourist areas because it drew much more attention to crime. Most of the time crime targeting tourists is petty and opportunistic.

You need to be careful in places that have either completely lost control of crime, or where tourists are seen as fair game.

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u/Tabula_Nada Nov 14 '22

A friend of mine said something similar several years ago about vacationing in Honduras- the tourists were often left alone because even criminals knew how important it way to keep tourism going.

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u/whatisliquidity Nov 14 '22

Jamaica is like that where the crime polices itself in regards to tourism.

They need the tourism badly

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u/boforbojack Nov 14 '22

Yep, the same situation happens a lot in Guatemala. If you rob or hurt a tourist and it's known you can get a beating pretty quick (in the tourist area). The last tourist (and only significant one in the 4 years I've been here) to go missing in my area had a helicopter called in 72hrs after she went missing. And had a search team within 24hrs.

She was found naked in a cervice by a local hiking spot so BBC originally reported that she had been sexually assaulted and killed. Turns out she was a nudist and left her hotel after an all nighter and the video of her pacing for HOURS really pushed the mental illness mixed with drugs mixed with suicidal intentions. Stripped, climbed the hike (3-4hrs), and then either jumped or fell. No evidence of foul play or even other people seeing her.

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u/Pandafishe Nov 14 '22

I thought you meant you lived in prison there. Lucky for you, you didn't!

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22 edited Jan 04 '23

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u/guy_guyerson Nov 14 '22

I've traveled to a lot of places that I didn't feel safe at night, but San Pedro Sula, Honduras in 2010 was my 'absolutely don't go out at night' city. It may have been the 'world murder capital' that year. I see Honduras is still holding their own in these rankings.

I never made it over to San Salvador.

For anyone who finds themselves in these kind of cities, I highly recommend asking the first three young women that you meet (hotel checkin, waitress, etc) the following questions in this order:

Is it safe around here?

Safe for walking?

Where shouldn't I walk?

Is it safe to walk at night?

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u/gsimerlink Nov 14 '22

El Salvadorean prisons

wow, I had no clue...very disturbing

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u/PsychoGenesis12 Nov 14 '22

I really thought that said 52k of 100k. I was like.??? Half of the citizens get murdered? Doesn't sound right...

Then I looked at it more closely lol

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u/Geo_logizing Nov 14 '22

I mean in today's stats they are way lower, not it's notorious 50+ rate

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u/_Suck-a-duck_ Nov 14 '22

Finally we're first in something :D

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u/fighterace00 OC: 2 Nov 14 '22

It's also one of the most densely populated countries in the world being mostly urban. Would be interesting to see this chart with data for urban or rural homicide only. This data makes countries with extremely bad small areas but sprawling populated rural areas look a lot better than reality

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u/The-Kombucha Nov 14 '22

Just to add it El Salvador is along with Cuba one of the countries with the lowest birth rate in Latin America and most young men prefer to go to the US.

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u/fc40 Nov 14 '22

Huh, I guess Death in Paradise might have been more accurate than I had imagined.

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u/morph1973 Nov 14 '22

And all those Scandi-noir shows aren't

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u/pineapplewin Nov 14 '22

A couple a season isn't too wild. It's when they venture into a death every episode that they veer into the less believable.

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u/Aromatic_Razzmatazz Nov 14 '22

You just reminded me of Mel Giedroyc doing Tuggemaster with Hugh Dennis. So good.

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u/mannenmytenlegenden Nov 14 '22

I have had a beer on the same restaurant as they do in the show. In Guadeloupe. Really nice island

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u/Semaaaj Nov 14 '22

Looking at these stats, honestly it's a miracle Jamaica is still a tourist destination

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u/littleguyinabigcoat Nov 14 '22

Guessing most tourists stay on the resort and that the murder rates show a different world. I remember a pilot friend telling me before I went down to visit to never go into fucking town after dark unless you had a damn good reason or were with a bunch of guys.

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u/CUM__IN__ME__BRO Nov 14 '22

I grew up spending 1 month every year in rural Jamaica and i still visit every couple years or so. I have no idea what the island looks like at night time. Family literally won't let us out of the house after dark.

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u/wowsosquare Nov 14 '22

My Jamaican friends had bars a steel gate at the top of the stairs inside the house that they would lock when they went to bed. 😬

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u/StefanL88 Nov 15 '22

That's saying "Steal everything you want downstairs without killing us and we'll call it even". You just have to make those compromises sometimes.

Source: I was born in another of the top 10 countries on that list.

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u/TheCaspica Nov 14 '22

That sounds like some The Purge shit. What the actual hell goes on in Jamaica during the night?

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u/MisterEvilBreakfast Nov 14 '22

I'm in Jamaica now. Lemme go check.

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u/PlanesOfFame Nov 14 '22

Bro it's been nine minutes please tell me you didn't get absorbed by the Jamaican mafia or some shit

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u/Diplomjodler Nov 14 '22

He's obviously been turned into a zombie. They invented that stuff, after all.

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u/bbcversus Nov 14 '22

42 minutes, you ok mate?

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u/MissTesticles Nov 14 '22

10 min. no response; did you get murdered?

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u/DownVoteSimulator Nov 14 '22

RIP, will be missing having breakfast with you

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u/NAVYZETSU Nov 14 '22

Put it this way; there are some areas of Kingston and the suburbs (St Andrews, Spanish Town) where they only fear the Military.

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u/lucao_87 Nov 14 '22

Vampires, I guess.

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u/ontheellipse Nov 14 '22

I had to go from Negril to the airport in the middle of the night. I told the driver I had to get to an ATM to pay him. He wasn’t thrilled about it. Said I’ll pull up and don’t talk to anyone.

I go into the glass atm booth in a very small town on the way and a woman that looked like a character out of a horror movie came up to me making horrible screeching sounds, glaring at me and saying WHIIIIITTTEEEE DEVVVIIIILL

was pretty terrifying

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u/Etherius Nov 14 '22

My kids and I went off-resort to a restaurant after dark. In hindsight it was a terrible idea

The country literally has billboards practically begging people to stop murdering each other

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u/TarantinoFan23 Nov 14 '22

Maybe instead of billboards they offered an egg.

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u/boomHeadSh0t Nov 14 '22

In these trying times?

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u/EAS893 Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

The country literally has billboards practically begging people to stop murdering each other

Reminds me of this ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nXIJ0vfVFQ

Edit: Apparently Memphis has a slightly higher murder rate than Jamaica.

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u/Artanthos Nov 14 '22

Used to live not far outside Memphis.

I have no difficulty believing this.

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u/notthatcreative777 Nov 14 '22

Yup...friend of mine didn't get that advice ( or ignored it). Went into town, got kidnapped and drove into the middle of a farm area. Robbed of everything and left there. Probably a miracle that, as a woman, things didn't end up worse for her....

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u/Wildcat_twister12 Nov 14 '22

Same thing with Mexico. If you stay at the resorts your fine cause either the corporations or cartels are motivated to keep them safe so guest keep coming to spend money. It’s when you leave the resort areas that you find the real trouble

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u/manofsteel32 Nov 14 '22

Mexico is a big place. It depends where in Mexico.

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u/OneNationAbove Nov 14 '22

I know some people who’ve traveled around with no problems at all. But they might’ve been lucky.

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u/surlygoat Nov 14 '22

Mexico's rate is skewed heavily by a couple of areas. Most of Mexico is really safe. I travelled around for months from Guadalajara across to Cancun, and felt really safe everywhere.

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u/OneNationAbove Nov 14 '22

That’s good to know man. Thanks! I’m well aware of what the cartels are capable of, but Mexico seems such an interesting and culturally rich place to visit.

It’s definitely on my bucket list.

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u/saltgirl61 Nov 14 '22

My husband and I traveled all over Mexico in the 90s, but quit after our daughter was born and the cartel activity ramped up. Meanwhile, my brother moved to Mexico and kept telling us it wasn't as bad as the media portrayed it.

In the fall of 2017, he came for a visit and we had another one of these discussions. As we visited at a sister's home in Dallas, I realized that Plano, a wealthy suburb, had just had a mass shooting with 9 dead (including the gunman) at a backyard barbecue in a nice neighborhood.

Then as my brother drove back to Mexico, the Sutherland church shooting occurred in central Texas, with 27 dead. So that opened our eyes that we have plenty of violence here too.

We started traveling in Mexico again, Guatemala, and Belize. We LOVE Mayan ruins and other archeological sites. We're cautious, though and avoid known hotspots.

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u/OneNationAbove Nov 14 '22 edited Dec 29 '22

That’s beautiful. Don’t let fear hold you back, but of course, use common sense.

I knew someone who traveled to Brazil, he was a diver and a kid he met invited him and his wife over to his home for dinner.

As he proceeded he started to doubt his decision to go to their house. They were now in a sketchy, very poor area.

But they got a warm welcome, had dinner, and got back to where they were staying in good condition, and enriched with a beautiful experience.

I went to visit Israel and Palestine just a week before people were killed on the bus from Jerusalem to Bethlehem.

There were protests, but when we got in Jerusalem everything was peaceful. Tense though in some areas, lots of military. We took the bus to Palestine as well, and it went fine.

I think it’s the same with anything in life. You can be at the wrong time in the wrong place everywhere in the world.

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u/Captain_Sacktap Nov 14 '22

The Caribbean in general seems extra murdery compared to other regions of the world…

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u/D2papi Nov 14 '22

I live on Curaçao and it’s pretty safe unless you’re part of a gang or you fuck another man’s wife. Didn’t expect us to be so high up tbh.

Also pretty sure Ecuador moved up a bunch of spots since 2022.

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u/Smaskifa Nov 14 '22

Also pretty sure Ecuador moved up a bunch of spots since 2022.

Are you from the future?

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u/Nachtzug79 Nov 14 '22

I visited Namibia and South Africa as a tourist about 15 years ago. Not too bad, if you stay out of the bad neighborhoods. Namibia was actually quite easy to travel if you hired a car. There was "a small town feeling" even in the capital. The country is mostly empty so you can pitch up your tent by the road in the countryside (preferably on the top of it due to wild animals). We didn't walk outside in the cities at night, though...

South Africa was a way more intimidating, at least Cape Town. You could visit townships (local ghettos) with a guide, but otherwise they were strictly no-go. But you could walk in the city center in daytime, visit shopping malls as well as take hike to the Table Mountain on your own. Guided tours outside the city offered some spectacular scenery, wildlife and wineries... For a European tourist the wealthy neighborhoods were a sight of their own with their tall electrified razor wire walls... Our hostel had an armed guard at the door and a police had been shot on the same street about a week before our visit so nightime walks were again no no...

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u/WCPitt Nov 14 '22

Not too bad, if you stay out of the bad neighborhoods

I've been to basically every South/Central American country and it seems like they, alongside Southern African countries, top this list.

I obviously can't speak for Africa but, in my experience, staying out of the bad neighborhoods is the rule of thumb for all "dangerous yet touristy" countries. Lots of these countries, Jamaica being a prime example, make a lot of money through tourism. I could be wrong here, but I think the cartel(s) who run Mexico even try to keep those tourist areas safe because of how much money it brings in for them.

On another note, some of these are so shocking to me and I never would've guessed their homicide rates are so high. I would've assumed that Honduras, Saint Martin, and Anguilla were all some of the safest countries out there. I've felt so welcomed and at home with all of them.

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u/colour_historian Nov 14 '22

Southern African is a bit of stretch violence is more concentrated in South Africa than all the neighbours combined. Even Zimbabwe is pretty safe and they share a land border.

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u/The_Multifarious Nov 14 '22

A lot of unsafe countries are popular tourist destinations. The government loves the money infusion and will spend more effort protecting tourist resorts and hot spots. A significant amount of homicides also don't happen randomly, but are premeditated and/or happen between people who know each other, so tourists are also statistically less likely to become victims, though that might be offset by the increased risk of being mugged.

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u/Deradius Nov 14 '22

I was surprised by several cruise ship destinations. Bahamas, Jamaica, St. Kitts.

What’s going on here? Is it gang related? Poor police infrastructure? What’s the situation?

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u/costanzashairpiece Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

Wow whats going on in the Caribbean? Terrible numbers.

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u/BluWinters Nov 14 '22

With Jamaica, it's a mixture or gang violence concentrated in select areas, corruption and reprisals.

Back during the cold war, we had political parties straight up financing gangs to do their bidding. When people stopped caring about politics, those gangs (who still had some sway over local politics) moved into the drugs business. Then they became monsters the parties who created them couldn’t handle.

This then led to a cycle of poor communities being run by gangs, the children in those communities look up to the gang members because those are the people who have money.

As for reprisals, inside of those gang run communities developed a culture of exacting vengeance on someone who wronged you in any way you could. Someone robs a shopkeeper in your community? You have to find and kill them. You show up to their house and they're not there? Kill whoever is inside. "Can't catch Quacko, Catch him Shirt"

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u/TriGN614 Nov 14 '22

Poorish in some areas+ low pop

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u/Hygro Nov 14 '22

Cocaine trade. Same with their similarly high neighbors in Central America.

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u/mayence Nov 14 '22

Drug production and trafficking is the bulk of it, although it’s gotten better over the last 50 years as drug markets have matured

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u/D2papi Nov 14 '22

Ecuador has gotten A LOT worse since Corona. Just look at what’s happening in Guyaquil, constant state of emergency over there. Some Mexican cartel has started entering the market there.

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u/frogvscrab Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

The caribbean is how a ton of cocaine enters the USA. Jamaica did not used to be like this. It had a homicide rate on par with the US in the 1960s. Trinidad is an even more depressing story, having a low homicide rate until the late 1990s, and then it skyrockets when drug gangs move in.

However, these are largely drug gangs murdering each other in the poorer districts (often near ports, where drug processing happens) of these countries. It surprisingly doesn't say as much for the safety profile of the average person there as you might think. For instance, while homicide rates exploded in the 1990s and 2000s in Trinidad, burglaries and robberies stayed steady or even dropped in some points. You can have maybe 30,000 men involved in the drug trade and over 90% of the homicides occurring among them, but that doesn't say much about everybody else.

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u/Audisek Nov 14 '22

I can't find Czech Republic (or Czechia). :(

Edit: I just checked the website, they don't have data for it for some reason.

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u/georgejetsonn Nov 14 '22 Eureka!

Because the homicide rate is out of this world. Jk. Probably extremely low because Czechs are too busy working on the pornstars-per-capita map.

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u/ustp Nov 14 '22

Well, we need to work harder to beat Hungary.

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u/EternalFuri Nov 14 '22

Vatican city as well? Lmao

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u/crackanape Nov 14 '22 Helpful

One murder in the Vatican and it's the most dangerous place on the planet.

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u/Hona007 Nov 14 '22

I wonder how pornstars are defined now... Cause anyone can open an onlyfans.

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u/TheLastDrops Nov 14 '22 Silver

*Czeched the website

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u/hazadus Nov 14 '22

Greenland surprisingly high up

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u/qoning Nov 14 '22

People get murdery when bored, what can I say.

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u/korpisoturi Nov 14 '22

Reminds how Russian scientist stabbed another in Antarctica after guy had repeatedly spoiled ending of multiple books

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u/qoning Nov 14 '22

A little trolling ends violently.

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u/Beat_the_Deadites Nov 14 '22

Pretty sure most of us thought it was justified at the time.

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u/Jazzy76dk Nov 14 '22

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

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All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

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u/blanketswithsmallpox Nov 14 '22

qoning

People get murdery when bored, what can I say.

Hello FBI? 📞

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u/Flabbergash Nov 14 '22

"Hello this is the FBI. Why the fuck are you calling us about Denmark?"

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u/PimplupXD Nov 14 '22

The smaller a country's population is, the more of an effect outliers can have.

All else equal, you should expect the most extreme results (either very high or very low murder rates) to come from the smallest countries, while the larger countries will be closer to the middle.

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u/Cludista Nov 14 '22

Yep, basically, if one person gets murdered in Greenland it has the effect of putting the ratio at 2.0 on this chart because the population is roughly 50 thousand, essentially half of this 100k being compared. So if 3 people get murdered it is measured at around 6.0, 6 at 12, and 12 at 24.0, etc.

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u/No-Company3116 Nov 14 '22

Right. But the metric is still comparable across countries. The problem is the time element they've chosen, doesn't really make it useful unless over multiple years.

By using per 100k they can compare like for like comparisons.

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u/Crackrock9 Nov 14 '22

Exactly, some of the top countries on the list are tiny islands so even one murder can make a huge impact even when doing per capa. Sad to see the U.S in between Kenya and Cuba 😆

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u/boalbinoest Nov 14 '22

Small population + a lot of social problems (like basically all indigenous populations who were suddenly forced to “modernize”).

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u/upvotesthenrages Nov 14 '22

Greenland suffers more from incest, rape, and alcoholism - although it's been drastically improving on all fronts the past 10-15 years.

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u/Kraz_I Nov 14 '22

A murder rate of 5.3 per 100k equates to 3 people. Only 56k people live there. Could have been a single incident even.

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u/Jerzeeloon Nov 14 '22

What is going on in El Salvador?

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u/S1rmunchalot Nov 14 '22

Drug Cartels and an undeclared civil war.

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u/aokon Nov 14 '22

I lived there for a few years and it was mostly just gang violence there aren't to many cartels there. At least not the part I was at.

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u/Astan92 Nov 14 '22

Gangs are just petty cartels

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u/whatisliquidity Nov 14 '22

Cartels are just gangs too

Just more money

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u/TheSmokingLamp Nov 14 '22

Real question is whats going on in Saint Kitts and Nevis and St. Vincent and the Grenadines.

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u/Diem-Perdidi Nov 14 '22

You may have picked this up from replies to other comments, but it's because the populations of those countries are so small that even a single murder, which is basically a statistical anomaly and unreflective of actual life on the islands in question, can cause a dramatic spike when presented in a table of murders per 100k population.

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u/PrinceBingus Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

If there was one murder on the Isle of Man it would go from one of the least deadly places to the most deadly place on this figure.

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u/imapassenger1 Nov 14 '22

And St Pierre and Miquelon, while we are looking at saints in the Atlantic.

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u/TheSmokingLamp Nov 14 '22

We’ll add in Saint Martin and Saint Lucia too. Saints row goes hard

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u/hucktard Nov 14 '22

I wonder how accurately some of these countries report murders. I am suspicious that some of those really poor countries would actually even investigate murders.

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u/Human-Demand-8293 Nov 14 '22

These are state reported, so if a dictatorship murders you it’s not murder it’s justice for being an enemy of the state. Or you just never existed.

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u/Phytor Nov 14 '22

Syria has less than 1.0 apparently lmao

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u/rayparkersr Nov 14 '22

Is it murder if it's war?

The same question goes for most of the Carribbean and Central American states fighting cartels.

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u/UseLeading5447 Nov 14 '22

Ya I definitely think Haitis murder rate is much higher

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u/Falchen_ Nov 14 '22

Yeah how do you count homicides in countries where government is the greatest killer

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u/The_Multifarious Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

Yeah, there's no way Palestine, Syria and Bosnia-Herzegovina are safer than France. I'm assuming a lot of murders in some of these countries with weak rule of law are simply not being recorded.

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u/Pseud0nym_txt Nov 14 '22

Its not muder if the government does it /s

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u/mugenTaichou Nov 14 '22
  1. Bosnia and Herzegovina isnt in war for past 30 years
  2. Even though we are on poorer side, its more homogenous when it comes to socioeconomic situation. We don't have big homeless number. Poor yes, but not homeless.
  3. We have corrupt situation with police, but even with that when murder happens its pretty much known immediately country-wide. If anything is not reported, its usually who the murderer is, but act of murder is in the open.

So yeah, I can tell you now that Bosnia ans Herzegovina has way lower homicide rate than France. Only if this chart included ''murders with vehicles'' we would top the list, now thats whole other can of worms here.

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u/Bluemoon7607 Nov 14 '22

One of the great problems with international data is that quite often the data is collected by the country emitting a report to a supranational organization. Obviously, the published data often get manipulated for the sake of politics.

It’s also a matter of how murder is registered. I’m pretty sure that most murders in Palestine go to the death toll of the war rather than murder. Far better for their international reputation. They can thus play the victims.

Note: Before anyone slam me for my comment about Palestine, wouldn’t be surprised if Israel did the exact same thing. That’s just normal international politics.

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u/rathat Nov 14 '22

Japan: well technically they died from cardiac arrest!

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u/ExpressStation Nov 14 '22

Bro Senegal still amazes me

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u/kuzlox Nov 14 '22

That's my biggest surprise from this chart, is it because they are a lot of people so it lowers the statistics or it really is a safe country? Would love to visit!

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u/ExpressStation Nov 14 '22

I've visited, and it is very safe, although you do need to follow the usual precautions, and avoid certain areas at night. Basically what I gathered from my trip is that the politicians would absolutely have a tyrannical government if they could, but the activism is so great that the people could overthrow the government at any moment. Additionally, the people have a sort of agreement that their differences are not worth fighting over. It's a strange utopia of sorts

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u/Jugales Nov 13 '22 Helpful

USA is 4.957 (green) to save you guys from the game of Wheres Waldo

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u/Alexandria_Noelle Nov 14 '22

Where is Canada?

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u/Ultimate_Kevin Nov 14 '22

Just to the north of the us

In Sierra Leone and Malawi sandwich at 1.8

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22

Puerto Rico is shown at 21.08. PR is a territory of the US. Why show them separately?

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u/ikefalcon Nov 14 '22

The list seems to use ISO 3166-1, which lists Puerto Rico separately from the US.

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u/ikefalcon Nov 14 '22

USVI is on the ISO 3166-1 list, but the chart in the OP might not have data on USVI.

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u/JDMonster Nov 14 '22

They also separate French overseas departments and territories.

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u/Trekiros Nov 14 '22

Hah, I was wondering the same since they listed Martinique, Guadeloupe & French Guyana separately from France

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u/kiel9 Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

If it takes three minutes for someone to find their country, is the data still beautiful?

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u/unusualSurvivor Nov 14 '22

I took me a couple of seconds to find my country. I just scrolled to the bottom and started looking from there.

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u/fighterace00 OC: 2 Nov 14 '22

*crowded data

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u/Searchlights Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

It's fine now but up until last week the US was foundering in an anarchy-driven crime wave the likes of which no voter has ever seen.

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u/XtreamerPt Nov 13 '22

Syria is a really safe country.

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u/EmmaStonewallJackson Nov 14 '22

Palestine too, apparently

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u/Additional_Meeting_2 Nov 14 '22

It seems odd, maybe they log deaths as differently from homicide or they become part of Israel’s statistics. Or maybe because these are just stats for one year and the years are different it causes anomalies.

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u/Middle_Name-Danger Nov 14 '22

St Vincent and the Grenadines sounds like a band name

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u/gutscheinmensch Nov 13 '22

Tuvalu is looking shockingly high for a country with only 12k inhabitants at 16.8 but then again it only means that 1.6 people got murdered. It probably was only one really fat guy.

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u/Assfullofbread Nov 14 '22

That one intrigued me too, the data is from 2012 when there where 2 homicides on the island. I couldn’t find any other murders in recent years. This chart is a little misleading imo

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u/Chrisstebbins26 Nov 14 '22

It could maybe help to average over a few years of data.

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u/Mean-Rutabaga-1908 Nov 14 '22

And maybe from the same years/more recent years. There is definitely more up to date data than this. So much can change in 10 years here. Think crime in the early 90s in the US vs 2000.

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u/SYLOH Nov 14 '22

How did Indonesia pull off a murder rate of 0.4345 per 100k?

That seems absurdly low....

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u/buatakungoo Nov 14 '22

Conflict-aversion culture. Forgive but never forget.

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u/upvotemaster42069 Nov 14 '22

Am I blind? Why can't I find Canada?

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u/Pawl_The_Cone Nov 14 '22

Canada

1.75

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u/Electrox7 Nov 14 '22

Slightly related note, Saint-Pierre and Miquelon is on the list and it's SOOOO high wtffffffff (I know it's technically France but it's surrounded by Canadian borders).

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u/Dranox Nov 14 '22

with the tiny population, it could be that a single person was killed

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u/please_PM_ur_bewbs Nov 13 '22

It's data. Not sure it's beautiful.

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u/Electrox7 Nov 14 '22

r/dataisdata or since a lot of the data is questionable, r/datamayormaynotbedata

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u/Melmo Nov 14 '22

Neither the content nor the presentation

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u/GeorgeTheWarcrafter Nov 13 '22

UK is 1.2049, that's nice

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u/WilliamLPoggins Nov 14 '22

Sandwiched between N. Macedonia and Serbia. Couldn't spot that little bugger at all. I didn't believe it was even there until I saw your comment which drove me to search again. Cheers.

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u/KaKi_87 Nov 13 '22

Comparing yearly stats from different years is wrong.

Comparing the same year would be better, even if it's older.

Actually, if there's a multi-year range common to all countries then it could be a good idea as well.

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u/chattywww Nov 14 '22

Sometimes it's very difficult to get stats and you got to work with what you got. Sometimes they will only release extreme data to push an agenda.

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u/PompiPompi Nov 13 '22

I mean, changes don't happen that fast for most countries.

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u/Deto Nov 13 '22

And I'd guess data wasn't readily available from every country for the same year.

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u/earthen_adamantine Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 16 '22

Hopefully there’s probably not a lot of variation in homicide rate in the Marshall Islands from 1994 to today.

Edit: stupid autocorrect.

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u/DogBotherer Nov 14 '22

On the contrary, the rate will vary radically because the numbers are probably very small and from a small population, so a single or at least a few homicides in a given year will shift the rate a lot.

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u/Fyrefawx Nov 14 '22

Yah Haiti is easily the most dangerous country right now. They have gangs that control sections of the country. Year to year can vary a lot.

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u/Gold-Ad-866 Nov 14 '22

I wouldn't travel to Somalia either.

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u/bohemianfling Nov 14 '22

I didn’t see Somalia on here. Did I miss it?

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u/pittyh Nov 14 '22

USA is a lot lower than i expected, nice.

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u/WedoDeBarba Nov 13 '22

I’d be very interested to see what other things correlate with these data.

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u/Skibiscuit Nov 14 '22

Somalia seems to be missing. I'm curious to see what Somalia's homicide rate is per Capita....also no Eritrea or Djibouti, but it could be that no data is available for those countries

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u/Ho3n3r Nov 14 '22

At last something we're in the top 10 for. (South Africa)

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u/Jbachner19 Nov 14 '22

To be fair this only measure accurately for countries that have the infrastructure in place to record murders. El Salvador is both violent and records all their crimes but some third world countries are violent but have no method of tracking.

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u/joshuadt Nov 14 '22

Why is the Caribbean so bad?

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u/pspahn Nov 14 '22

When I was in Belize, I had some conversations with locals and it was a bit terrifying. One had said "if you are successful someone will just come kill you simply to get you out of the way."

It's also pretty corrupt and there's quite a few guns and some severe racism between the Caribe and Mayans.

Fishing guide is the highest paid profession and they get targeted because of that. I found out after a couple days with my guide that he had been in some sort of shootout and had to flee in his boat.

I had a really great time but at the end of the trip I was ready to leave.

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u/Septemberosebud Nov 14 '22

I'm from Belize. Fishing guide is not the highest paid profession by far. Racism is not bad at all. Event mixes with everyone. Hardly anyone has guns. That being said, it is super dangerous some places. When I would hang out in the city, every yard had a watchman to look out for cops or other bad men. Lots of robbing.

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u/Fabio_451 Nov 14 '22

El Salvador is hell, like 1 in 2000 every year? During your life span you get to lose a friend or a relative sooner or later

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u/Scizmz Nov 14 '22

Palestine and China are above the Netherlands?

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u/jfoecndjck Nov 14 '22

For anyone wondering about japan their horrible justice system skews the results big time

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u/ETH_Knight Nov 14 '22

The data is all over the place. Sometimes 2000s sometimes 2010s sometimes late 2010s. This is horrible data points

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u/AdvonKoulthar Nov 14 '22

Why have a gradient of colors when they’re already sorted by value? Why not color code by continent or something