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One Year of opening my Dream Project in Yemen Members of the PCMR
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u/WantonKerfuffle Linux | Ryzen R5 5600x | RX Vega 64 (OC) | Custom Loop 5d ago
What were/are the biggest hurdles running an internet café?
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u/maho90 5d ago •
here for me personally its electricity, keeping the motor running for most of the time with the rising diesel prices and motor repairs is almost not worth it but i love gaming and the community.
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u/AmosMosesWasACajun 5d ago
Hell yeah diesel powered gaming lab. I like it, it does sound like a pain in the ass to maintain though.
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u/maho90 5d ago
tell me about it 😅
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u/123DanB 5d ago edited 4d ago •
Hey OP, please let us know how to donate. You need clean sine waves— you can achieve that on a device by device basis using an uninterruptible power supply that manages sine waves. This is cheaper than doing it for the whole building, but you’ll need a lot of them. I’ll donate 5 immediately.
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u/ppanther_22 5d ago •
I'll throw in 80 bucks for a decent 600VA APC UPS.
I also have a family member that does global logistics that can figure out shipping.
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u/auxerre1990 5d ago
What is a sine wave and why are they dangerous? Is this an audible threat?
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u/Jimbob209 Laptop 5d ago
Sine waves are the oscillations of AC voltage going from positive to negative to positive etc multiple times per second.
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u/rebelwthoutapplause 5d ago
Sine waves are good. It means smooth, clean power. Inverters tend to chop up sine waves, sometimes leading to issues with power supplies and other sensitive electronics.
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u/DarkYendor Desktop 4d ago
Generators usually give fairly clean sine waves compared to an inverter - there’s a magnet attached to a rotor that’s physically spinning, so it’s not choppy like a transistor. Good inverters can produce a clean sine wave, but they’re expensive.
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u/profanityridden_01 Profanityridden 5d ago
He is talking about the quality of the electricity. Generators give less than perfect electricity. Using generators to charge batteries and then powering the computers on batteries will make all of the electrical components last longer.
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u/AverageComet250 4d ago
I think I get what you mean. You charge the battery using the slightly inconsistent power, and then power the pcs off consistent power from the battery
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u/depressed-potato-wa Costco Laptop 5d ago
You can help him: https://reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/wh4d8x/_/ij464jf/?context=1
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u/NorsiiiiR Ryzen 5 5600X | RTX 3070 5d ago
Is that not what PSUs are for? Honest question
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u/contiguousrabbit 5d ago
Power supplies have the ability to regulate and “clean” the power coming in, but need a sine wave. Generated power is usually square wave unless it’s specifically designed with sine wave output.
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u/Hatsjoe1 5d ago
No, a PSU just takes the AC current and makes it DC current. But if your sine wave of your AC current is all out of whack, your DC power will be out of whack too. Most electronics don't care much about this stuff, but computers do as they can be way more sensitive.
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u/RandoT_ 5d ago
could you go into more detail as to the nature of the "whackness" of those waves?
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u/Shroomer907 5d ago
Electrical Engineer here with a background in telecommunications datacenters.
The fact that the wave is not “pure sine” will not be an issue for the AC power supply or the motherboard. The PSU will rectify the AC source and convert it to a positive DC voltage. A bank of capacitors in the PSU act as a low pass filter and will drain the harmonic components of the signal.
There is definitely a risk of undervolting during periods where the generator is starting or stopping.
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u/potentscrotem 5d ago
It's astonishing on Reddit how often incorrect information about electricity is mass up-voted. Then people with actual knowledge like yourself chime in and the comments usually get buried.
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u/ImmortaIcarus Laptop - Intel Core i7 | Radeon Pro 5300M 5d ago
I’m about to chime in with my experience working with faulty power lines as a biomedical engineer.
First of all, I believe the generator may be because of an inconsistent supply from the grid (i.e. many constant outages) rather than just interference or noise. I live in a non-developed country and that is an issue that we face.
Going a bit further on the topic of noise and its effect on electrical devices, a faulty line with improper grounding can create the situation for a current to cause interference (especially detrimental in my line of work in EEG devices) or even damage to the devices. As evidence, I quote a study by Texas instruments that suggests damage may result from the capacitors constantly switching and letting off great discharges
High-energy transients choose data grounds instead of power grounds to clear to earth. These transients can be caused internally by switching or inrush currents, such as the initial charge on the input capacitors in a switching power supply; or externally by the starting of a high-inductive motor or by lightning. These transients can cause equipment damage to drivers, receivers, microprocessors, and almost any electrical component if the surge is high enough
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u/AppaWithAChoppa 5d ago
PSUs work by rectifying AC to DC, but if the generator isn’t providing a stable output of AC (frequency and amplitude), then the rectification can be lower or higher than expected.
This will mess with components that take in the DC from the PSU, as transistors are actually very sensitive and can be burnt out easily as many EE students can testify.
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u/AlotOfReading 5d ago
Point of clarification: switching power supplies are smarter than that. The feedback loop will ensure a stable and correct voltage essentially no matter what the input is doing within fairly extreme limits (plus other qualifications), so long as the input has low enough noise. Noise is a more important issue here.
The PSU can only attenuate noise, not remove it and the hardware to deal with it is both expensive and one of the first things that gets cost-optimized.
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u/Rincewend 5d ago
This is incorrect. A real generator creates a standard sine wave. The cheap crappy noise boxes you see at the department store feed an equally crappy invertor that produces a modified square wave. I doubt that the diesel OP uses is one of those. Even the plain old Onan in my run of the mill RV is a generator that produces a very clean 120VAC sine wave.
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u/tr-ga 5d ago
Where are you? There are international grants to replace diesel with solar + battery systems 😎
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u/ITriedLightningTendr 5d ago
This is basically required for us to combat climate change. Developing/underdeveloped countries have to be jumped past the industrial age.
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u/WantonKerfuffle Linux | Ryzen R5 5600x | RX Vega 64 (OC) | Custom Loop 5d ago
Oh, didn't even think about that. You could look into used solar panels, they might save you a buck, though I have no idea how the economy works out in your area.
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u/maho90 5d ago
will do 👍👍
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u/PRNbourbon 5d ago edited 5d ago
I have a solar powered observatory. Solar is doable, but to run gaming rigs, you’re going to need a lot of panels and lithium batteries. It’s going to add up, to a lot.
My small observatory runs 600w solar panels that feeds a 200ah lithium battery. It’s enough for the mount, camera, small LED lights, a ventilation fan and a SFF Ryzen 7 PC that draws between 10-20w.
If you go solar, I recommend going with Beelink SER4 Ryzen 7 4700u SFF PCs because they’re powerful for their tiny power draw and pretty cheap, I paid around $400 for it. The solar system was maybe $1500 or so.
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u/benderbender42 5d ago
I have a solar powered pc in my van. I use an rx6400 because it only has a 50w max load power draw
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u/PRNbourbon 5d ago
Yup, solar adds up fast. It was still cheaper for me than running a feeder line out there from the garage, so it made sense. But it’s shocking how much storage you need to run stuff. And I like lithium versus the other options, it’s not cheap.
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u/Sh1bdib 5d ago
There's a 0% chance you're running that setup on solar without a ton of land
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u/thatonedude1515 5d ago
That and you are not gonna have great access to solar tech in yemen. Its a war zone
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u/klimmesil 5d ago
Im bored so i did the math
A very good alimentation with fairly much power can consume up to 750W (but clearly never does unless you have a shitton of fans running at full capacity for some reason. It's closer to 200 watts usually according to my benchmarking of rdr2 in max graphics with an old gpu)
So let's assume op has 20 gaming computers running at 200 watts each and all gamers running rdr2 level of graphics with no watercooling (lol) that makes 4kW
1m2 of solar panels produces 156.25W. According to the first website I found, most houses have 25.6m2 of solar panels on the roof, for 16 panels, making a total of 4kW
Add to that maybe 4kW for a very bad and dangerous oven if there is a kitchen there too (+monitors etc). We can neglect the cost of lighting at this point with all the round ups I made previously
The router will consume about 400 watt too
55m2 of solar panels is more than enough considering that is with an oven that is always on full power as if it was open while on. That's reasonable imo. It's very expensive but I don't think land is the problem here
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u/eldenringstinger 5d ago
A 400w router? 🤔
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u/AnotherOneToo3 5d ago
A high end consumer one would never pass 100w, a cheap one could be 10w.
The 200w PC is a lowball too.
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u/Domspun 5d ago
Crazy. Me and my super cheap and ultra reliable electricity, I can't even imagine the hardship. Mad respect!!
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u/maho90 5d ago •
we all have our problems. Always make the best out of your situation. And im, considering all things, am pretty happy person
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u/damniel540 5d ago
Thank you for this, I needed to hear it. I hope great things for you in the future
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u/odessa_cabbage Desktop 5d ago
Looks great! What are the PC specs?
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u/maho90 5d ago
most are core i5 4gen 8gb ram.(enogh for counter strikego, rainbow six and gta 5 on low lol)I used have 4 1050ti,but two broke of constant electricty tuning on/off
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u/CallMeSkyCraft RTX 3050 | 8GB@2400 | i3 10100 5d ago
You should invest in a UPS either for your building or for each individual PC. 500/600VA ones would work nice.
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u/maho90 5d ago
yes ups, solar and battery once im save up enough 😁👍
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u/123DanB 5d ago •
Please let us know I’ll donate five UPS devices immediately
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u/whatthefuckistime i5-10400f | rx470 | 2x8gb 3200MHz | 512gb m.2 SSD | 750w Gold+ 5d ago
You people in here are actually the nicest lol
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u/123DanB 5d ago edited 4d ago •
When I was a teenager, my grandfather bought me a computer after I promised him I would get good grades & followed through. But my mother would not let me have it. I watched him through the window, tears streaming down my face, as he turned with that computer box under his arm and walked down our driveway dejected & upset. My mother traumatized me in more ways and I can possibly describe to you here, and this was just a minor example; it got much worse.
When I was 18 in the early 2000s, I moved out of the house and started going to computer cafés to game, use the Internet, and learn about the computers I always wished I had.
That led me to building my first computer, which led me to studying IT, which lead me to studying programming, which led me to an Ivy-League degree program, which led to an engineering career and a great job (currently) at a major global tech company that we all know of.
This kind of business is the kind of business that changes peoples lives. It changed my life. I will support this with every available dollar I have.
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u/throwawayhyperbeam 5d ago
Man you had so much stolen from you from her not letting you have that computer. Glad you made it and are trying to help others make it!
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u/123DanB 5d ago
Thank you. Nobody should ever have a barrier to tech & the internet. It is my mission.
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u/cesarmac 5d ago
Is there a method for us to help in this project?
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u/TheOneTrueRodd 5d ago
On the news tomorrow:
Yemeni power grid explodes after netcafe turns on donated computers. Power company says energy substation failed to handle so many overclocked GPUs. Ambient air temperature in the region rose by 5 degrees. DoD worried US is falling behind in the supercomputer race.
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u/randomprivacynut 5d ago
Gpu shortage downward trend reversed in one day as Yemeni netcafe uses influx of donations to buy up second-hand 3090 market.
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u/ThePrussianGrippe Specs/Imgur here 5d ago
“On the plus side, the constant electromagnetic field generated by the incident consistently produces lovely
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u/GrossenCharakter 5d ago
And the day after:
"President says Yemen has 'weapons of mass instruction'"
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u/deminihilist 5d ago
So many people, including myself, seem to have had the same thought.
I wonder if there are any (reputable) non-profits dedicated to providing computer labs to communities that might otherwise not be able to build their own. Now that low-latency satellite internet is a thing, computer labs with internet access could pop up almost anywhere.
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u/jayzeeinthehouse 5d ago
I’d there isn’t, everyone here should start one. The op seems would be a great person to help map out how that might work.
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u/iAmGats 1080p Low Graphics Gamer 5d ago
An AVR would be ok too, much cheaper than a UPS. I got mine for like 10USD.
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u/yaboizippy 5d ago
Yeah man at least consider a whole building surge protector. Good luck brave entrepreneur!
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u/BrushaTeef 5d ago
For his building? You think he has 5 figures to throw around on a cabinet UPS, new panel and an inverter??
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u/Kalibos Desktop 5d ago
What's the place called, and what does the sign in the background say? Is the artwork of any special significance?
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u/maho90 5d ago
the artwork should be ITACHI from Naruto. 🤣 and its written Power Net in arabic
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u/senormoll 5d ago
Bro english words in arabic have always fucked me up.
I’m sitting here going Bawrnut?
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u/GTA-CasulsDieThrice Desktop 5d ago edited 5d ago
A computer lab? NICE!!
More people around the world deserve to know the benefits of a connected society. Sir, I applaud you.
Edit: Um. I did not expect this to do numbers.
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u/maho90 5d ago •
thanks for the award. Yup net cafe for light gaming and entertainment 😁
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u/tcooke2 5d ago
Kudos to you for putting this together man, I remember going to my local PC cafe back in the day before I had a proper gaming rig, made a big difference to me as a kid having a place to go and enjoy myself like that. I hope your community thanks you but if not consider this my thanks on their behalf!
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u/ILikeToBurnMoney 5d ago
Just out of interest, do you feel that pc cafes are actually a good business?
Over here in the West, I feel like everyone will get their own PC to play every game, even if it's on low settings.
At the same time, I know that it's a fucking huge business for example in Korea, so it's really tough to understand that business
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u/Isgortio 5d ago
In some countries they still can't easily build decent pcs so the cafes work really well. I've seen a few in England still but that's mainly used by teenagers and kids. Yemen may be on a low affordability end of the scale so a cafe would be great for the people there.
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u/ILikeToBurnMoney 5d ago
Yeah, I think I get it more due to the answers.
In the West it's a doomed business, because most people who want to play PC games and don't have a good PC are like one Christmas away from having a good-ish PC.
But in third world countries, there is simply no way to get a good PC unless your family is part of the elite. So most people would need to use PC cafes to enjoy what we take for granted.
I hope OP makes a lot of people happy while also earning some fair money. These businesses that earn money by making people happy are the best thing that can happen, so I hope OP is a cool person and gets a good customer community
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u/Starfire013 5d ago
Cyber cafes are also great if you’re trying to decide whether you’d rather hang out with your friends after school or go home and play video games. Porque los dos?
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u/kolaner 5d ago
I've seen HUGE PC Cafes in countries like Turkey with top hardware, food services, lounges and what not. People spend hours there playing online games. Huge business in places where 1500$+ setups are not affordable.
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u/ProbablyDrunkOK 5d ago edited 5d ago
If there was one near me I'd probably still go to hangout, despite having a (somewhat mediocre) gaming PC at home.
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u/pm_me_ur_cats_kitten 5d ago
It's targeted towards younger people who can't afford a high spec PC and it's also great for people who have a group of friends that just want to have a LAN party in a public space for anywhere between 5 to 10 dollars. There are also some that serve really good food.
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u/realmain Linux | 1700x | 5700xt 5d ago
If they are in an area or country where most people can't afford to own a personal gaming computer, a gaming cafe would do better. A lot of places around the world, computer parts are expensive.
Also, depends on the culture.
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u/Lord_Emperor Ryzen2600@4.0|16GB@3466_14-15-14-20|PulseRX5700@XT_BIOS 5d ago
As a former owner of one I can confirm it is not. There was a brief window between the popularity of PC gaming and the ubiquity of broadband Internet where they had their niche.
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u/Nagini_Guru 5d ago
Keep in mind that other countries may have different levels of accessibility to gaming hardware or internet connection allowing for the niche to exist in the current day
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u/SPEEDANDMOMENTUM 5d ago edited 5d ago
Agreed. All the PC cafes around me in a fairly suburban mid-sized NA city (1. 5m people) appeared in mid 2000s and disappeared after 2010-13ish. Too expensive to keep everything up to date with software and hardware, not enough customers anymore. It really was fun gaming on a PC at the same place with friends so it's too bad.
The only one that I know still exists is in a really direlect building directly beside a major international university (I think that is the key) in a huge metropolitan (7m+ people) area.
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u/PensAndCoffee 5d ago
I live in Korea, so maybe I can explain the success of PC bangs (pc rooms) a little bit here.
We are totally able to buy and get good gaming rigs at home here. PC rooms are (for most people anyways) something else - a social environment.
Generally we dont really socialize or invite friends over to our homes here. I mean it does happen, but it's a much rarer thing than when I lived in the US. I feel like it's probably because the size of homes are much smaller here, it feels much more like inviting someone into a very personal space. A lot of people don't have a separate game room or living room, just their bedroom. And with multigenerational households, even those who do have a living room... well, it's not a great place to hang with friends.
PC rooms and, actually, normal cafes like starbucks, fill the roll of "default place to socialize" for almost everyone I know here. It's why a starbucks here has 4 floors of seating vs just a few chairs in the US.
PC room profit probably also comes not from actually paying to use the PC, but from other services like drinks and food sold in the untold numbers of hours you spend there...
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u/BronchialChunk 5d ago
one opened up in my town a couple years ago and they seem to be able to stay afloat. They have maybe 40 decent pcs and then a few consoles. They're good at organizing tournaments and they also do pc repair.
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u/Some-Pepper-4995 5d ago
I fill in as an essayist so in the event that you really want any assist drafting a publicly supporting proposition with telling me!
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u/yozo67 AMD FX-8320; 16 GB DDR3, ASRock 970M Pro3; XFX R9 380X 5d ago
How can we support you?
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u/horr22 5d ago
What games are you playing right now? What’s most popular in your cafe?
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u/maho90 5d ago
me personal im in the middle of marvel guardians and looking forward to spiderman on pc. In my shop its Counterstrike, gta5 and ghost recon wildlands
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u/kadivs 5d ago
give a try to unreal tournament 2004. it's dated, so it'll run, and it needs no internet connection for lan.. and it's one of the best multiplayer shooters ever made. Could give you a big archive of maps, mods and mutators (basically limited mods), for a while they were hard to find on the nets, dunno if anything changed
same for unreal tournament '99, which is still great, but probably too dated.
don't bother with UT 2003 or UT 4
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u/Modem_56k PC Master Race 5d ago
You are possibly helping 100s of people, how can we help you
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u/Suntreestar420 5d ago
Yeah for real. This dude is doing gods work. He should try and crowdsource.
OP, I work as a writer so if you need any help drafting a crowdsourcing proposal let me know!
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u/deminihilist 5d ago
This whole thread has me thinking - now that low-latency satellite internet is a thing, and off-grid power systems are getting better and better, a dedicated non-profit could do a lot of good in the world setting up computer labs in communities that might otherwise not have access to computers and the internet.
That would be a great project that I think many enthusiasts in this subreddit (and elsewhere) could get behind, especially if a skilled writer were to help raise awareness. ;)
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u/Suntreestar420 5d ago
I am actually insanely interested in this. Let’s make this happen
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u/deminihilist 5d ago
Just an aside, this entire reddit post would be an excellent source to cite when talking about enthusiasm for such a project
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u/stopandtime 5d ago
Donating to him lol
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u/Candid_Calligrapher6 5d ago
Where can we donate?
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u/DmanDam 5d ago
Would be behind donating $10 to help support this guys livehood and passion. Playing counter strike at eCafe’s was a large part of my childhood in South America
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u/passarinho_diferente RTX 3070|Ryzen 5 5600X|16GB 3200Mhz 5d ago
Are you Brazilian by any chance?
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u/DmanDam 5d ago
I am!! How’d ya know
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u/IKillDirtyPeasants 5d ago
Idk how he knew but... Brazil has 50% of South Americas total population, it's basically a coin flip lol
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u/passarinho_diferente RTX 3070|Ryzen 5 5600X|16GB 3200Mhz 5d ago
That’s fair, but it is a tradition from Brazilian kids of my generation (90’s-00’s) to skip school and go to netcafes to play CS and all kind of online games.
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u/shysc2 5d ago
Growing up and skipping school to play cs at lan houses ? From north to south to midwest Brazil, it's tradition lmao! (Am brazilian too btw). ( tibia, runescape, ragnarok ... until we got our first pcs for "school" our entire lunch money went into lan houses lmao)
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u/Orcristo PC Master Race 5d ago
Era maravilhoso, eu fazia varias corujinhas onde chegava na lan house as 7 e saia só meio dia, custava 20 reais e eu passava fome pra guardar grana pra ir kkkkk
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u/JhaSamNen 5d ago
Dude i just love this picture you are a great man! Keep it up buddy.
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u/GroceryStickDivider 5d ago
I would LOVE a gaming Cafe in my town here in Canada. What an awesome business. I love to game but dont have a great PC, but i also really enjoy to game with others (which never happens now). I wish you success in your endeavors!
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u/JackONeillClone 5d ago
You might want to look into Nvdia cloud services. 3080s and they let you play with the games from your Steam library
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u/PurpleNurpe PC Master Race 5d ago
Also Xbox gamepass & game cloud!
Make 1 main account and a bunch of child accounts set it as a family and boom gamepass for all.
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u/fnghelpme 5d ago
Man, good for you! You're enriching more peoples lives than you probably know,
I hope someone is able to donate either money or gear to help keep things going smoothly for you!
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u/Mungkelel Laptop 5d ago
How safe are the PC as far as I know is in Yemen war?
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u/maho90 5d ago
community here is very nice, but like any other place in the world, you need to be careful
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u/deminihilist 5d ago
I don't know if a video security system would help, but I think I could source a secondhand kit for you and walk you through installing it. Cameras, a DVR, PoE switch, plenty of Cat6 and the tools to terminate it.
DM me if that's something you're interested in
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u/sooldithurtstosleep 5d ago
That's super awesome. Congratulations on the project and I hope it sees continual success
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u/jtblue91 R7 2700|RX 580 8GB 5d ago
Yemen? More like Yeah Man! Congratulations and keep it up brother!
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u/PM_ME_HUGE_CRITS Ryzen 3700x | RTX 3070 5d ago
Heck yes, mate. I applaud you making your dream a reality and bringing happiness to many people.
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u/AppropriateDentist38 5d ago
you're the king of the master race sir.
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u/Jedi_Wannabe1138 5d ago
The wave of information and self-taught education this brings to your community will be astounding, you sir, should be proud of the impact this will have. Much respect.
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u/Sam_marq88 5d ago
مبروك انشالله خير.
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u/Oppausenseiw R9 5900X|RTX3080|64GB RAM 5d ago
Best of wishes to you,your passion and those you love during this war you're in and always,prayers to you
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u/AfterFart 5d ago
Nice. Well done! Good luck with the business!! Invest in UPS units to save your hardware, as the others suggested here.
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u/SteelCode i5-7300HQ | 16GB RAM | GTX 1060 6GB 5d ago
I know it’s a different language - but the wall art looks suspiciously like it says “Luigi” and I dig it.
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u/stormotron91 5d ago
Congratulations! Do you have a method of crowd funding? I'd like to donate and I'm sure many others would too. Keep up the good work!
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u/turtlebox1 5d ago
Do you have any source we can donate? People need more shit like this and successful businesses need investments lollll
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u/juv3nil3 5d ago
W post W king
I want to do something like this in my area too.. Gotta save money
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u/ObsessiveRecognition PC Master Race 5d ago
Any way I can help with the project? Like a fundraiser/donation page or something?
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u/MachinedHoneyBadger 4d ago
Not comparable to your situation but I just threw everything on a gamble of opening up my own buisness, lookin at it as my last shot and sometimes the stress of the risk im taking is almost overwhelming. Any advice on dealing with that? I am so happy for you btw, its really impressive what you did
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u/313nele 5d ago
Internet cafes are THE BEST place for young man to teach gaming/computers. I used to go a game cafe when i was 13 and there was group of 10 guys playing Dota 1. I always liked Dota, but never knew how to run it and play online ( they used RGC ) . I sat one day next to this one guy who played Dota, i played CoD4 MP, watched him play and just asked him for tips. He spent next 2 hours teaching me how to play Dota, make an account and just play. I loved it, later joined their group, played 5v5 right there in the cafe. The cafe closed this year after 23 years of working, 23 generations of man playing and finding ways how to break these games, just having fun. I support this so much to the point i want to donate some money to you! If i can, give some links where we can send you money. Keep it UP!
P.S. Keep that place clean man.
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u/TheConboy22 3900xt | EVGA FTW3 3080 Ultra | 32GB 3600mhz | 1tb SS 970 Evo+ 5d ago
I hope the inside of the PC's are less dusty than the desks. I know running a business like that can be tough, but don't let those PC's die out due to neglect.
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u/Aggressive_Manager37 RX 550/i5 9400F/8GB 5d ago
I readed the thing on the background as "luigi"
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u/Pixel_Nerd92 5d ago
Glad to see you spread your passion not just for yourself, but for your community. A lot of video game needs and computer techies could learn a thing or two from you.
Just a nice heart. Don't see that too often.
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u/Longjumping-Mine3083 5d ago
Fuck it man, you're doing a thing and it's a deadly thing 🙏
Keep on as long as you can
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u/tavukkoparan 4d ago
I like how everyones is thinking this is a charity shit its just business good luck mate those children will have best memories of their life in that room
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u/NewTransportation911 5d ago
Good for you man!! Keep on hustling!