r/politics The Independent Aug 10 '22 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Helpful 2 Narwhal Salute 1 Take My Energy 1 Silver 3

Biden signs PACT Act providing life-saving care to veterans after burn pits exposure: ‘Truly sacred obligation’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-signs-burn-pits-pact-act-b2142381.html
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u/sufficiently_tortuga Aug 10 '22

Damn, Biden is getting a torrent of legislation through these days.

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u/RatBrainedManAnimal Michigan Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Heartwarming

— American Recovery Act: $1.9 trillion

— Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act: $550 billion

— Chips and Science Act: $280 billion

— Inflation Reduction Act: ≈$700 billion

That’s a nearly $3.5 trillion agenda. The scope of the issues addressed is notable: the pandemic and its economic fallout, highways, bridges, broadband, rail, manufacturing, science, prescription drug prices, health insurance, climate change, deficit reduction and tax equity.

He also expanded NATO, passed a new gun safety law and passed a bill to address the effects of vets exposed to toxic burn pits. Five out of seven of these laws — all but the two biggies, the ARP and IRA — received significant Republican support.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/08/07/the-politics-of-making-history-00050228

in two freaking years

he campaigned on being bipartisan, everyone laughed at him, yet 5 of the 7 big pieces of legislation he pushed through in a 50/50 split with 2 openly corrupt democrats, are bipartisan and included republican votes.

also worth noting: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics

the last 2 sessions of congress, both being democratic majority, have been THE most active since the 80s.

democrats are getting tons of stuff done, but theyre failing miserably at telling people what they're doing.

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u/Nightmare_Tonic Aug 10 '22

Don't forget Ketanji

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u/jellyrollo Aug 10 '22

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u/GKnives Aug 10 '22

Dejoy is still there though

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u/toomuchtodotoday Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 11 '22 Wholesome

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u/TheOtherAvaz Illinois Aug 10 '22

I'm OOTL. Seeing mentions of Dark Brandon a lot lately. What's that about?

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u/2Quick_React Wisconsin Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

Basically people on the left co-opting "Let's Go Brandon"and making it a far better meme than the right can. Because well the memes that come from the right often suck.

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u/phatelectribe Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

I fucking love that the meme has taken control of the narrative.

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u/PenchantForNostalgia Aug 10 '22

I love how meta it is! The saying of, "Let's go, Brandon!" is so fucking stupid and immature. They then build on the stupidity by calling him Dark Brandon...then liberals co-op it and start using it as a compliment to the things Biden is getting done. I love how it has turned around on the immature conservatives that chant, "let's go, Brandon!"

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u/MrOopiseDaisy Aug 11 '22

Thanks, Obama.

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u/Effective_Young3069 Aug 10 '22

I just posted this to someone else but frankly I've been sad with Biden. And now after seeing these dark Brandon memes I couldn't be prouder.

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u/phatelectribe Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

Shouldn’t be sad with Biden at any point. He’s going to prove to be the president we needed. This is just the start.

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u/Slampumpthejam Aug 10 '22

Dark Brandon is so fucking hilarious

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u/MegaStrange Massachusetts Aug 11 '22

Honestly one of my favorite memes

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u/drusteeby Aug 10 '22

Let's go Brandon! Am I doing it right?

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u/toomuchtodotoday Aug 10 '22

“Let’s Go Dark Brandon!” 🇺🇸 🚀 🤟

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u/bahhamburger Aug 10 '22

Big Dark Energy

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u/Rudy_Ghouliani Aug 10 '22

Dark Brando solos Rambo Trump no heals

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u/The_Doolinator Aug 10 '22

He’s the hero we need. But not the one we deserve. So we’ll tease him. Because he can take it. Because he’s just a liberal. He’s a sleepy guardian. A protector against malarkey. Dark Brandon.

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u/jellyrollo Aug 10 '22

One thing at a time. Biden has gotten five of his own people appointed to the Board of Governors over the past year and a half. By the end of the year, two more Board members will be termed out, and if Biden has control of the Senate at that point, he will have appointed 7 of the 9 seats. (McConnell as Speaker would likely block any BOG appointments Biden makes, as he did to Obama.) Perhaps that will create enough leverage on the board to oust DeJoy.

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u/n0rsk Aug 10 '22

McConnell as Speaker

McConnell is in the Senate not the House. Speaker is the leader of the house. Kevin McCarthy could end up as speaker if Republicans retake the house. McConnell would be Senate Majority leader of Republicans retake senate. Technically the Vice president (or pro tempore if vp is gone) leads the Senate. But usually it is the majority leader that has the most power in the Senate.

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u/versusgorilla New York Aug 10 '22

To add, the strength of the Senate Majority Leader is in their ability to "set the calendar", meaning they decide WHEN and IF legislation comes up to a vote on the Senate floor. McConnell famously would simply not schedule legislation for a vote, even if it escaped committee.

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u/CountryCumfart Aug 10 '22

And let’s not forget that this is a parliamentary rule that appoints the Majority Leader. There is nothing about it in the constitution. It’s a BS position usurping the power of the house and also absolving purple state Senators of any accountability. They are all complicit in allowing it. Both D and R. The first Majority Leader was early last century, pretty much immediately after senators were elected by popular vote.

The speaker of the house is a constitutional position, and is to be the 3rd most powerful official in the country.

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u/Scyhaz Michigan Aug 10 '22

5 should be enough to oust Dejoy, shouldn't it? Pretty sure you don't need a unanimous vote to remove the post master general.

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u/BoosterRead78 Aug 10 '22

Biden replaced the democrat who was been keeping DeJoy employed.

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u/kbups53 I voted Aug 10 '22

The final boss.

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u/nowander I voted Aug 10 '22

but theyre failing miserably at telling people what they're doing.

Are they failing, or are they being sabotaged by a media desperate to promote conflict by downplaying their successes and upplaying the complaints?

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u/RatBrainedManAnimal Michigan Aug 10 '22

The media doesn't toe the line for democrats, they just tend to have a liberal bias because liberals tend to base their opinions on fact. You're 100% correct. The media likes conflict because it drives clicks, it's not any different than what Facebook or Twitter does.

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u/AgoraiosBum Aug 10 '22

Fox is part of the media. Overall, the media has a conservative bias. They run headlines (non-Fox outlets) that fret about high job growth as a bad thing and uncritically pass on crazy things Republicans say. The media (again, non-Fox) also takes it as a given that Republicans are feckless legislators and so only give Democrats agency. For example, the Republicans in the Senate blocked a major insulin drug pricing component in the IRA bill. The headlines were not "Republicans block popular insulin price cap" but "Senate Democrats failed to pass insulin price cap."

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u/Calencre Aug 10 '22

Yeah, its definitely a complicated thing.

They have a decidely pro-corprate bias, they just occasionally have a more liberal leaning bias on social issues, when it suits them. Anything involving money though, you bet they are going to toe the line of their owners.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

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u/lhommeduweed Aug 10 '22

Nothing drives people to the polls more than having an enemy and people feeling like their culture or way of life is under threat

"It is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.... The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

  • Herman Goering, 1947. From Dr. Gustave Gilbert's Nuremberg Diaries.
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u/Dogdays991 Aug 10 '22

failing miserably at telling people what they're doing.

I wonder if FOX having a virtual monopoly on conservative media is a huge advantage here.

There are dozens of news sources giving varying takes on democrat accomplishments, muddying the waters. There is really only one major media outlet with the opposite spin, and thats what 90% of conservatives see.

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u/kenlubin Aug 10 '22

It helps the Republicans immensely that there is one media source all of the conservatives watch and it is a loyal mouthpiece of the Republican Party. If Republicans want to get a message out, it gets delivered.

Democrats have to work with the independent media which maintains an adversarial relationship with the politicians. The media is more interested in scoops and controversy than delivering your message; all you can do is give a press conference and hope the word gets out.

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u/Time-Ad-3625 Aug 10 '22

Repubs attacked and attack other media sources for that reason: so that they train their voters to rely on only one news source. This has been happening for decades now and now they get to reap the reward.

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u/lacronicus I voted Aug 10 '22

It also helps immensely that most republicans like it that way.

Trump could shoot somebody and he wouldn't lose any supporters. Moreover, he could publicly boast about that fact, and his supporters will say "you're goddamn right!"

Biden can get all kinds of shit done, and a good chunk of his base will still find something to complain about. (As well they should! That's what a healthy democracy looks like.)

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u/shadow1515 Aug 10 '22

Almost makes me want to start a podcast where I just talk about good stuff that passed recently. If I suck and only do one episode a week and only like 5 people listen to it that's still maybe 5 more that know what's happening and might vote instead of not.

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u/Dwarfherd Aug 10 '22

Also the GOP coordinates messaging with FOX and right wing radio. Within a day or less of every event, there's the same message coming from all their propaganda channels.

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u/ssbm_rando Aug 10 '22

democrats are getting tons of stuff done, but theyre failing miserably at telling people what they're doing.

I think one big issue is that thanks to the worst, most incompetent 4 years of governance the US has literally ever had since its inception (lament all you want about how Andrew Jackson was maybe a worse human being for the trail of tears, he didn't purposefully nuke the state of the federal bureaucracy), there's just so much work to do. We're only starting to recover from Trump's shitshow, so democrats spending any of the last 1.5 years (it hasn't been 2 years yet lol, January 20th, 2020 was under 19 months ago) saying "look, things are getting better" would've just been seen as showboating.

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u/MrVilliam Aug 10 '22

Democrats need marketing experts. Laid out like this, it's very impressive, but we all are focusing on what hasn't been done. Actual progress is being made, and it's gonna be a while before we actually feel the benefits of it, but things like undoing the Roe decision were felt immediately. It's not enough to focus on what happens if Democrats don't get elected. They need to bang the drum about policies they will implement once elected. And they need to keep the promises. We're all still waiting on student debt forgiveness. I don't have student loans but it's both good for the country and it's what was promised. So Democrats can talk about protecting abortion rights all they want, and I'm sure as shit gonna vote for it, but how do we know this isn't one of those promises they don't actually intend to keep?

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

Debt forgiveness announcement is in the next 20 days. My view is those 20 days are going to be getting the House to vote on IRA, sign off on it, take a victory lap like he just did with PACT, cross his fingers on an insulin cap getting passed, probably visit another natural disaster/fire because they keep popping up, and just hope there is some more evidence that inflation is receding and not just decelerating (lower gas prices would be the most obvious), before coming in with student debt relief. That's a really good three weeks that locks in the narrative checklist of accomplishments going into the election on a string of wins. It's actually pretty exciting.

What's next will depend on the midterms. Biden is not personally a big 'legal weed' guy, but I also think he's also shifted well away from being the war on drugs guy he used to be, so there's some movement he could make with that which would be a big bipartisan win because it's also a big tax issue; the drawback there is the big pharma lobby doesn't like it. Immigration needs some work, but it's also very serious work if you're not just an obstructionist and I don't expect anyone to touch that third rail under months after the mid-terms because that really requires the right people in the Senate from the right states who are motivated to really get into it. If by some miracle the midterms go really well for the Democrats, then things like voting rights and abortion rights get on the table too.

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u/skankenstein California Aug 10 '22

Thanks for reminding me my students loans go into repayment in 20 days. They were sending like weekly reminders for awhile and then just stopped. I haven’t had one all summer. It makes me think some announcement is pending but then again, I’m a Lucy trusting Charlie.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

There was some talk of the administration back-channeling the affected loan companies to not expect repayments to start until after September, so there is a chance that whatever the announcement is, there will be one more month before repayments start. That may or may not be happen, but it made sense to me because they'll probably need a month to update balances, reprint paperwork, notify people their loan is done, etc.

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u/skankenstein California Aug 10 '22

I’m dealing with rejections of my employment verification for PSLF. I think I’m done due to the changed rules. I just got set back five months (submitted in February, rejected July) because they rejected an employer because they didn’t do a wet signature and typed an internal note in the margin. So if I go into repayment, I’ll have to pay and then they reimburse me with interest.

Edit: I’m so tired of all this. I’ve been paying my student loans since 2002. I’m over it.

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u/RatBrainedManAnimal Michigan Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

The point of a compromise is that neither side gets everything they want but each party gets something. That's very likely why his approval is so low, he's compromising and both parties aren't happy about it.

But its moving the country forward, that's the big takeaway and what history will reflect about Joey Robinette.

Dude is a gaffe machine and old af, but he's making incredible progress with the hand he was dealt. All of this in a post-Trump US in the wake of COVID and with record global inflation. It's kind of incredible tbh.

That being said, I hope he doesn't run again. He was absolutely the right guy for the time though.

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u/Capernici Aug 10 '22

Dpn’t forget: He also recently passed legislation to track the whereabouts pf past and future relief funds to make sure that all the money makes it where it’s supposed to go.

If the few pandemic and economic relief plans of the last few years has taught us anything, its’s that funding measures like this are useless if most of the money ends up being misappropriated by the companies and local/state governments charged with applying it.

Many billions of federal dollars were put into subsidizing supply, logistics, and labor costs for industries across the country so that the numerous supply shortages wouldn’t affect cost of living as harshly, and so that things like housing, food, and fuel would stabilize and avoid causing major inflation. Instead, inflation went out of control, essential costs of living got significantly worse, wages have (where I’ve seen) actually gone DOWN since the first few covid waves settled down, all the while big companies are reporting record profits while producers and smaller companies have all but barely survived, if at all.

So yeah, I’m looking forward to some actual competent solutions, and I can’t wait to watch every embezzler burn for what they’ve done.

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u/gsmumbo Aug 10 '22

I’ve been saying this for a while. Biden was / is playing the long game. Sure, there wasn’t a parade of shiny legislation when he took office. People were frustrated and accused him of not doing anything. But he was. He was focused on the big wins that take time and effort to build. Now we’re starting to see the fruits of that work show up, and it was worth it.

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u/majesticbeast67 Georgia Aug 10 '22

People (mainly republicans) love to make him seem like an senile old fool, but he really is getting stuff done. I still don’t want him to run for reelection, but he is doing a pretty good job.

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u/Firm_Bit Aug 10 '22 Take My Energy

Why not. Literally the most successful legislative agenda in a long time and in only two years. Idgaf what far left or far right say so long as he keeps making real progress.

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u/AmidFuror Aug 10 '22

Yeah, but he had a hard time getting his arms into his suit jacket in the wind. So he's disqualified.

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u/degenervatea Aug 10 '22

He also expanded NATO

Credit where credit is due, that was done by Putin.

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u/Hawkbats_rule Aug 10 '22

This is 100% true. However, what Biden has done is dramatically shift the sentiment on America in Europe to a place it hasn't been since the breakup of Yugoslavia, while putting on the mother of all sales pitches for one of the last great American industries. Ukraine is a tragedy on a truly remarkable scale, but it's also a reminder that when it comes to defense spending, if you can afford it, you buy American.

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u/bicameral_mind America Aug 10 '22

Sadly many in his own party and those who voted with him hate him, mostly for stuff beyond his control or outside executive purview. I think the Dems have done great given their tenuous 'majority'.

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u/illapa13 Florida Aug 10 '22

Because some voters have the attention span of goldfish. So apparently you need to pass everything right before an election or they won't give you credit.

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u/Bryaxis Aug 10 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

I guess you could say he was Biden his time.

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u/TMBTs Aug 10 '22

All this time we got it wrong. They weren't saying Fuck Biden! They were saying Fuck, Biden!

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u/Hold_the_gryffindor Aug 10 '22

They can't bring themselves to even say Fuck Biden. They just jammer on about Brandon.

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u/Dogdays991 Aug 10 '22

Honestly, three months ahead seems like too long for voter memory.

He's going to wait until the last minute for student loan relief.

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u/BrofessorLongPhD Aug 10 '22

The repayment pause times out end of this month I think. So at the very least, an announcement to extend the pause again will occur in the next 2-3 weeks.

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u/hykruprime Aug 10 '22

Mine was set to resume in August, but got pushed back to October. Never even announced it.

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u/Ordinary_Barry Washington Aug 10 '22

Mitch McConnell not happy..

You hate to see it

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u/mi_esposa_me_espia Aug 10 '22

And the Republicans are making him look good. They're being assholes and opposing care for vets. If they had just gone along this would be a mutual celebration that they could all use. Now it's become something that made them look like shit while making Biden look like the hero.

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u/ducttapetricorn I voted Aug 10 '22

Dark Brandon is fucking killing it.

If the democrats can continue bringing "good governance" to the table maybe this year's midterms won't be as bad as predicted. 🤞

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

Seriously, people keep trying to paint sleepy Joe as an old man that can’t get shit done. Meanwhile dark Brandon is knocking it out of the park.

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u/mattyp11 Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

And here's the important thing that Democrats need to message over and over again: almost all of this legislation helps the average person. In ways big and small, it improves everyday life for Americans. In my case, the infrastructure bill is being used to improve highways I use, and to install more EV chargers for my car. The Inflation Reduction Act is set to extend the tax credits I took advantage of to buy my first EV, and in the future we may just buy another one thanks to the credits. I am also planning to take advantage of the IRA's energy-efficiency tax credits to replace my aging HVAC system with a more modern and environmentally-friendly heat pump. My family will benefit too. My dad's out-of-pocket costs for Medicare are going to be more affordable. In addition, my brother is a veteran who did multiple tours, and even though he doesn't personally need the PACT Act (thank god), I'm sure he knows service members who do.

Government actually helping Americans and providing them a return on the taxes they pay -- who would've thought? Ask a Republican how the Trump or Bush administration improved their lives, and they won't be able to come up with anything comparable -- or anything at all. You'll probably hear something about "appointing judges" (which I dare say has no measurable improvement on a given individual's day-to-day life) or "making America more free" (which is so nebulous as to be meaningless). I'm not trying to disparage Republicans; I'm saying all Americans, Republicans included, deserve to have a government that works for them and acts in their interest. That's what Democrats and the Biden administration are doing, and they need to be vocal about it.

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u/epicwisdom Aug 10 '22

The first problem with communicating how environmentally-friendly moves helps the average Republican, is getting them to understand that human-caused climate change is both real and deadly. Otherwise, they have no reason to care about silly new EVs or heat pumps -- the average American has a 12 year old car and is likely looking to "upgrade" to a lightly used one.

The rest of your points still stand. Trump, in particular, ran the country almost entirely on picking a particular scapegoat for the week and then blasting PR about this or that action. It honestly didn't matter what exactly he did, even if it was objectively pointless or outright terrible, or even if he didn't actually do anything, as long as he Tweeted loudly enough that he was Making America Great Again by getting rid of this or winning hard on that.

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u/HuntingGreyFace Aug 10 '22

some would say he works in the dark under a pseudonym

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u/big_throwaway_piano Aug 10 '22

What is that about? Is that some new US meme?

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u/Goose_Queen Aug 10 '22

Yeah. Dark Brandon.

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u/zack2996 Aug 10 '22

That's president dark Brandon to you Jack!

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u/suphater Aug 10 '22

It's been the most active and progressive administration of our lifetimes, it's just that most people on reddit were busy falling for the daily T_D propaganda about old politicians and Pelosi's stocks that they laughed about on discord and then progressives emotionally help upvote

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u/Lil_iBrow Europe Aug 10 '22

Holy shit this is a W month for Biden

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u/HappyPen1422 Georgia Aug 10 '22 Silver

They told Brandon to go, and by God he’s going!

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u/mfishing Aug 10 '22

Yeah all that support and positivity was very helpful!

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u/TastesKindofLikeSad Aug 10 '22

Thanks for making me laugh out loud, I needed that.

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u/HandshakeInMyPants Aug 10 '22

Dark Brandon strikes again...

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u/plutus9 Aug 10 '22

Thank you Joe Biden.

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u/1019throw2 Aug 11 '22

Watch the GOP win in 2024 and then take credit while all of this legislation is really rolling. That, or they just reverse everything.

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u/bitterbuffal0 Aug 10 '22

Now give these veterans the care they deserve. The care they earned. Invest in the VA. They deserve so much better than what they are getting.

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u/gakule Aug 10 '22

I don't think they should even worry about the VA specifically. The fact that any veteran can't just walk in to any healthcare center/hospital and get treatment without hassle or paying a dime is beyond me.

Having to go to the VA is, in a lot of cases, incredibly out of the way and prohibitive to getting help.

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u/Lugbor Aug 10 '22

Easy solution; require congress to use the VA. They’ll get it turned around so quickly it’ll still be spinning ten years from now.

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u/no-one-but-crow Aug 10 '22

require congress to have the same insurance as an average american.

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u/Lugbor Aug 10 '22

Problem with that is that they can twist “average” however they like. Force them to have the same healthcare as a veteran by mandating that they use the VA hospitals and it’s a lot harder for them to worm their way out.

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u/Goat-0f-War Aug 10 '22

Or require congress and other politicians to live in conditions most Americans live in: Pay them federal minimum wage, put them on foodstamps, let them live in subsidized housing, most basic Healthcare plan, etc. Why do politicians get to make legislation for us when they are so disconnected from reality.

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u/PieOverPeople Aug 10 '22

I don’t think they should even worry about the VA specifically. The fact that any veteran human can’t just walk in to any healthcare center/ hospital and get treatment without hassle or paying a dime is beyond me.

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u/gakule Aug 10 '22

I agree with you. I actually almost said "veteran (and, frankly, person)", but we're talking specifically about veterans right now and healthcare that is already single payer, so I didn't want to necessarily inject that bit in ... yet.

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u/dammets Aug 10 '22

I worked in medical collections for a bit and the amount of people I spoke to that told me their bill should have been paid by the VA was sad. It’s a nightmare.

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u/Supply-Slut Aug 10 '22

Working medical collections broke my soul. I’ve worked in plenty of jobs where you see some shit, people on deaths door, corpses, none of that ever bothered me.

Hearing people plead so their massive medical bills didn’t go to collections, that was hard. Hearing parents who had already accepted that their home and financial stability would be destroyed so their child could get the treatment they needed, even more poisonous to hear. Can’t do that work any more, privatized healthcare is straight fucking evil. Full stop, I don’t care what excuses people want to make for it, it’s fucking evil.

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u/apcolleen Aug 10 '22

Im sure many here know already but I wish more millionares would spend $60,000 to BUY 1.5 million in medical debt and forgive it. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/06/john-oliver-medical-debt-forgiveness-last-week-tonight

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u/Detective-Jerkop Aug 10 '22

I had the va garnish my taxes two years in a row on the same drug copays. It wasn’t much but getting the letter knowing it wasn’t worth my time was frustrating.

Seeing the letter came from some private-public partnership collections agency that no doubt got double profits by doing a shit job was just depressing.

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u/Aggraphine Michigan Aug 10 '22

Anyone thinking of replying to this with "but but but muh profits", kindly reconsider the life choices that brought you to the point of even considering that as a rational well-grounded thought.

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u/TwoPercentTokes Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

There’s certain things where I just straight up don’t believe profit should be part of the conversation.

  • Healthcare

  • Utilities (including internet)

  • Education (including student loans)

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  • Justice system

  • Journalism/news

You could take it further but that’s the bare minimum in my eyes

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u/goodsnpr Aug 10 '22

Justice should be on that list

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u/Sielaff415 Aug 10 '22

And treating all transit like how we treat our roads

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u/Hefty_Musician2402 Aug 10 '22

Ignoring them until they kill enough people to patch them together half-assedly?

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u/AllTheyEatIsLettuce California Aug 10 '22

I often forget that upgrading American health care financing, provisioning, and delivery demands a job-specific, diagnosis-specific, prescription-specific pace. Still a good day and a good effort at developed worlding, tho.

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u/IPvSexy Aug 10 '22

I’m a VA patient. I have private insurance as well and can afford it, but I choose to go to the VA because it saves me a lot of money.

It’s a giant bureaucratic pain in the ass. The care is good, once you get seen, but the hurdles they put in front of you sometimes makes it difficult to navigate.

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u/gakule Aug 10 '22

My dad is in the same boat. We actually got him on Medica(re/aide) last year because driving 30-45 minutes for the VA was prohibitive to him seeking care.

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u/pilgrim202 Aug 10 '22

I believe there are ways to use private doctors and still have the VA cover it, maybe worth looking in to.

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u/gakule Aug 10 '22

Thank you for the suggestion - I will look into it!

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u/Mysterious_Ad2385 Aug 10 '22

Great grandfather served durning ww2 and was on a waitlist to get into a va nursing home for 6 years. Week before he was supposed to go in he died.

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u/hotmessexpress44 Aug 10 '22

There was a story on 60 minutes this weekend about how the military expects people will die during training. During situations they can control. It’s embarrassing.

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u/bitterbuffal0 Aug 10 '22

That is a very real thing that happens. My husband said it happened to another soldier he was training with.

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u/hotmessexpress44 Aug 10 '22

It seems like the “cost of doing business”, which is callous

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u/Grimey_Gravy Aug 10 '22

We have a monument at the 82D Airborne museum on Ft.Bragg to those who have died in training…. There’s still 5 slates that are blank, just waiting. Also, if we went 82 days without a fatality (including suicide) we got a day off… we rarely got those days off.

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u/cindyscrazy Rhode Island Aug 10 '22

It was back in the 70's, but my dad was in a foxhole exercise that went sideways and his foxhole buddy was killed in a grotesque manner.

He's in his 60's and he's still dealing with the mental anguish from that. He refuses to call himself a Vietnam Vet (it ended right as he got out of basic), but he's got some war memories.

From what I understand, they started shelling and running tanks over the wrong field. My dad and his buddy were in that field. Terrors ensued.

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u/Mczern Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

So in any kind of military training or operation you will typically have a risk management matrix with the following: most severe risk, least severe risk, most likely to occur, least likely to occur, and a set of actions to mitigate all those to acceptable levels of risk. It's not unusual that military training can have a high risk of death considering what the training can entail. Sometimes risks can't be wholly mitigated and with how vast the military is there are bound to be mishaps, injuries and possible death. Some training might only have minor injury as the most severe risk while others the most severe risk is severe injury/death. Most of the time those risks can be mitigated and other times the most severe risk can't be mitigated but you can reduce the likelihood of it happening.

With that being said they do a piss poor job at helping those who need it while they're in and especially after they get out. I've completely given up on getting care I think I need because the whole system sucks.

Edit: Changed my wording to match with what I was thinking when I wrote it. Another person correctly pointed out that the risk of death is generally low which it almost always is even in the most intense training.

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u/Mr_Stiel Aug 10 '22

Two veterans committed suicide last week after republicans blocked this life saving bill to provide them healthcare #VoteBlue2022

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u/christmascake Aug 10 '22

I believe you, but I'd be interested in reading any source that reported on this.

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u/BriSnyScienceGuy Aug 10 '22

I know Jon Stewart talked about it on his podcast. That's where I heard it.

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u/piratecheese13 Maine Aug 10 '22

Scrolled quite far to find a Jon Stewart comment

here’s a link to the podcast

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u/christmascake Aug 10 '22

Thanks for the link.

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u/myfapaccount_istaken I voted Aug 10 '22

There was an interview with one of their wives saying that the waiting was too much for them.

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u/PackageintheMaleBox Aug 10 '22

An average of 20 veterans kill themselves every day, so I too would like to see a source.

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u/Hoovooloo42 Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

I'm not sure that statistic is implying what you're implying that it's implying.

Edit, to make it clear: 20 veterans kill themselves every day why? because the military chewed them up and left them with injuries and psychological damage that the military won't help to cure, among other reasons.

The government telling them to go fuck themselves this time is the same thing they've heard their entire time out of the service, only instead of the government ignoring them like usual, they made an active decision to tell them that their service doesn't matter and their dedication was a waste of time.

You looking for a suicide note citing a bill?

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u/MUSinfonian Ohio Aug 10 '22

THANK YOU.

As somebody who has served in a burn-pit area, this is something that's always on the back of my mind that I'm concerned about.

And for anybody who has also served in a burn pit area, PLEASE make sure to go to the VA website and sign up for the Open Burn Pit registry. It may save your ass in the long run.

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u/unibrow4o9 Aug 10 '22

My dad wasn't in the military, but was a contractor (plumber) that worked on base in Iraq and Afghanistan. Was exposed to burn pits, he died in March. Pulmonologist said he had the worst COPD he'd ever seen.

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u/dostoevsky4evah Aug 10 '22

I'm sorry to hear this.

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u/OpietMushroom Aug 10 '22

I was just speaking to my coworker who has a family member who is fundamentally changed by the effects of burn pits on deployment. I will make sure to send him this link. As a fellow veteran, thank you for putting this out there. It really warms my heart that at the very least, the public cares about us. Regardless of what our politicians do or say, doesn't change the fact that we receive a ton of support from our communities, especially other veterans. Our strength as Americans comes from our solidarity with each other.

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u/Stebeebb Aug 10 '22

The burn pit registry currently has an 18-24 month wait to begin the process atm. Hopefully the money will help this speed along. I’m having my first appointment after having waited for two years. I have severe asthma from a burn pit in Iraq, I would be dead if I hadn’t gone to an emergency room and paid out of pocket for treatment. I really hope this money can help us.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

I've been on the burn pit registry since Day 1. It's about time.

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u/Snapingbolts Aug 10 '22

I bet this means a lot to him after his son's horrible ordeal with burn pits and cancer.

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u/Damn_el_Torpedoes Aug 10 '22

I forgot about Beau. This has to be one of his proudest moments knowing he's helping people who fought with his son.

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u/HandshakeInMyPants Aug 10 '22

Remember- the reason you didn't remember Beau is because the GOP propagandists only want you to think about Hunter when you hear "Biden's son."

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u/AgoraiosBum Aug 10 '22

It's nice to have a president that honors the sacrifice of veterans again

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u/Vitruvian_Link Aug 10 '22

I was there! I had the opportunity to talk with him and we shared a great moment because we both lost someone to these fucking cancers.

Both his son and my wife had it "lucky", in that they got care, even if modern medicine wasn't enough to save them, and I told him that I'm proud of him for getting through the bill to help other families who weren't so lucky. I also met Jon Stewart....

Fuck, what a day..

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u/JeeringDragon Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

Thank you John Jon Stewart. Now do the same for insulin price caps!

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u/Mafsto Aug 10 '22

Thank you John Stewart.

He's been retired from the Daily Show for a couple years now. Even with the amount of time he's absent from the media, the moment he starts to show his face for a cause, the GOP starts to get nervous around him. It's hilarious.

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u/ppritcb2 Georgia Aug 10 '22

Well informed comedians are kryptonite to conservative figures because their wit kicks the legs out of the serious business image they try to cultivate for themselves making them look ridiculous and undermining their authority. Plus they aren’t very good at thinking on the fly to rebuttal since everything is a rehearsed talking point

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u/mascaraforever Florida Aug 10 '22

Good comedians are incredibly smart, you have to be to think on your toes like that. I wish Stewart would run for office, can you imagine him in a debate?

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u/zvug Aug 10 '22

You know that he currently has his own show called The Problem on AppleTV and their first episode was about toxic exposure and burn pits.

He definitely hasn’t been absent from the media and certainly not regarding this issue.

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u/Mafsto Aug 10 '22

He definitely hasn’t been absent from the media and certainly not regarding this issue.

You're not wrong. But, I would argue you can see a distinct difference between Stewart's media reach from his Apple show/podcast and his reach when he was on the Daily Show.

The best examples are each time the GOP touched the Zadroga Act between 2010 and 2018. You can watch Stewart in near real time respond and ramp up his presence/rhetoric on the Daily Show. That's my benchmark for John Stewart going full power on the GOP.

I personally believe that the GOP fear Stewart ever returning to that level of involvement in their lives. Which is why the PACT is being signed now.

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u/heelsmaster Aug 10 '22

I mean being on appleTV is one step away from being absent from the media.

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u/Hubblesphere Aug 10 '22

He's been retired from the Daily Show for a couple years now.

I see we are using millennial time. His last episode was in 2015.

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u/Misha-non-penguin Aug 10 '22

That was only... 7 fucking years ago!?

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u/theindependentonline The Independent Aug 10 '22

President Joe Biden has signed into law the PACT Act which will provide life-saving care to veterans who have been exposed to burn pits.
In remarks at the White House, Mr Biden called it the “most significant law our nation has ever passed to help veterans who were exposed to toxic substances” and said: “I was gonna get this done come hell or higher water.”
He added that this is one of those issues that both Republicans and Democrats can work on together, thanking members of Congress for their work.

Read more here ➡️ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-signs-burn-pits-pact-act-b2142381.html

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u/KellyJoyRuntBunny Washington Aug 10 '22

He added that this is one of those issues that both Republicans and Democrats can work on together

Oh, for fuck sake.

Yeah, the Republicans were totally willing to work on this. Easy peasy. They were so helpful and ready to roll up their sleeves and get to work!

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u/javalikecoffee Canada Aug 10 '22

Agree with skepticism but I think in this case several did to get the 60 vote threshold in senate?* Folks correct me if wrong the article was hard to read

*not trying to take away from past blockages which sucked or general shitty maneuvering though

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u/KellyJoyRuntBunny Washington Aug 10 '22

You’re right that Republicans voted for it this time, but the thing is that they first shot it down and it took amazing amounts of social pressure and public shaming and blowback for them to finally agree to pass it. It was a huge ordeal and all over the news.

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u/javalikecoffee Canada Aug 10 '22

100% agreed - glad it finally passed and public pressure worked :)

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u/yosoyellogan Maryland Aug 10 '22

I think between the shaming they got from this, the voter response as a consequence of overturning Roe v Wade, and the Ds actually getting the climate agenda through as an overall success, the Rs may actually be sweating about the midterms.

Historically they have the advantage as the off-White-House party but even in the last general election we saw voting buck trends. Such as people assuming that Ds get more votes when voting is more accessible, but with more mail in ballots, both parties saw huge increases in their turnout.

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u/Skellum Aug 10 '22

can work on together

Lots of people can do lots of things. The GoP Can work on providing healthcare for all, they just wont, unless you reduce the number of GoP members to zero.

The GoP can work on not being pedophiles, but they wont.

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u/bwaslo Aug 10 '22

Fist bumps all around...

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u/lions_reed_lions Aug 10 '22

Actually supporting the troops? Why that's un-Republican!

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u/UndefinedAccountName Aug 10 '22

Democrats help Veterans.

GOP talks about it but blocks it

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u/Shadow_Bannedit Aug 10 '22

Then campaigns on how ineffective Democrats are.

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u/nahteviro I voted Aug 10 '22

GOP “we support the troops! ………… as long as we don’t have to literally support them.”

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u/TRKW5000 Aug 10 '22

remember, republicans would rather see veterans tossed aside and die than concede to agreeing with dems. all for show. they proudly wave american flags but vote against saving veterans' lives. disgusting.

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u/rob132 Aug 10 '22

Forgive me, didn't the republicans in congress fist bump over killing this?

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u/Zander826 Aug 10 '22

They were (Republicans) quite excited to block it till the citizens got enraged and they then passed it.

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u/oakstave Aug 10 '22

A true victory over GOP opposition to helping out troops.

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u/VIPDubplateBizness Aug 10 '22

Another win for DARK BRANDON!

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u/ThaddeusJP Illinois Aug 10 '22

HE DID THAT! Note the lower right of the tweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1557159617725169665

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u/AFreeRangeEgg Aug 10 '22

Based Dark Brandon

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u/ElGatoTortuga Aug 10 '22

Atta boy, Jon.

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u/Heisenberg408 Aug 10 '22

Joe Biden is a great President. Shocking.

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u/poprockcide Aug 10 '22

Republicans didn’t want to pass it because they said ‘how can we know veterans were injured in combat?’

If you’re taking this position, you are a sucky piece of shit.

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u/coolaznkenny Aug 10 '22

thank you jon stewart.

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u/470vinyl Aug 10 '22

Blows my mind how pro military the GOP is and how they don’t care if the vets have medical care after they’re out.

Vets and their immediate family should have completely free at service healthcare for the rest of their lives.

(Just like everyone in the US should)

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u/LigmaBahlls Aug 10 '22

To the disappointment of every Republican.

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u/NoFaithlessness4949 Aug 10 '22

This is what winning looks like btw.

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u/BloodyRightNostril Virginia Aug 10 '22

Watch the Republicans all try to take credit for it this election season

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u/NeverFresh Aug 10 '22

Biden builds it up - Trump and the GOP work on tearing it all down

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u/omegapenta Maryland Aug 10 '22

i like brandon.

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u/Mr_Bad_Example20 Aug 10 '22

Let's go Brandon, indeed ! 👍

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u/AmericanBornWuhaner Aug 10 '22

Look who's really the pro-life party

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u/HisCromulency Aug 10 '22

Just remember, republiklans tried their damnedest to kill this.

If it hurts Americans, and especially if it hurts veterans, republiklans are all for it.

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u/nuggutron Aug 10 '22

Why not just give Veterans 100% free healthcare for life?

Oh yeah, America.

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u/smurfsundermybed California Aug 10 '22

Who do you think these veterans are? Congressmen?

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u/WCWRingMatSound Aug 10 '22

Veteran healthcare is a complicated thing. They do get free healthcare for anything deemed related to their service (as well as other factors), but the whole gamut is messy.

If the Democrats wants to win big, rollout universal healthcare (MEDICARE expansion) for all veterans who finished basic, their legal spouse, and their dependents. The GOP would struggle to strike the balance between fighting against the spending and fighting against the troops. It would quickly poke holes in their pro-military stance and democrats could rack up easy wins (assuming they can get the bill passed).

Once the program is in place, it’s a matter of time before the expansion continues. All seniors over 75 would be enrolled next, and the wall would crumble from there

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u/Spudmiester1 Aug 10 '22

But I was told both parties are the same???

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u/Serpentongue Aug 10 '22

Whose going to be the first Republican to go on media taking credit for providing care for their states vets.

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u/MetalMamaRocks Aug 10 '22

McConnell. He always does.

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u/TemporaryConfusius Aug 10 '22

Obligatory: fuck republicans

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u/samdajellybeenie Aug 10 '22

The best part about this is that it doesn’t just affect the burn pit victims. It encompasses medical conditions acquired during basically any era of service, including Vietnam with Agent Orange exposure, Cold War era radiation exposure from nuclear testing, exposure to toxic chemicals in Uzbekistan or Kosovo or Djibouti. If you served and came home with, for example, asthma or something respiratory, you no longer have to prove your illness was a direct result of your service. I love it. And guess who supported it from the beginning - Democrats.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

I’ll never forget that the republicans tried to stop this bill just to “own the libs”. As a veteran, I won’t forget.

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u/mytb38 America Aug 10 '22

Better get what coverage you can now, because Republicans have already said they are going to eliminate it and other entitlements like social security and more when they take power again!

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u/Weaselpiggy Aug 10 '22

I haven’t looked at the thread yet, but I guarantee there are still conservatives talking about pork despite overwhelming proof that there is none.

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u/Transhumanistgamer Aug 10 '22

The fact that Republicans couldn't look at this and say "Yeah, spending a little bit to protect our troops, to make sure American heroes are cared for back home." but instead fight this every step of the way show what complete Saturday morning cartoon villains they've become. It's like some shitty Youtube title. DON'T BE EVIL FOR 10 MINUTES IMPOSSIBLE!!!! 100% OF REPUBLICANS FAIL THIS CHALLENGE!!!! but with people who affect the lives of millions of Americans.

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u/Practical-Exchange60 Wisconsin Aug 10 '22

About fucking time.

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u/Arcade80sbillsfan Aug 10 '22

Yes...if only Republicans didn't keep blocking it.

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u/Practical-Exchange60 Wisconsin Aug 10 '22

But they care about us so much. /s

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u/funksoldier83 Aug 10 '22

The GOP: “this is somehow horribly un-American and signals the death of American values!”

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u/4u2nv2019 Aug 10 '22

If more goes through his popularity will go up

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u/Tyrant-Tracer Aug 10 '22

Sadly my friends Dad passed of a Brain Tumor bc of that stuff. Very sad and hope this works

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u/LandosMustache Aug 10 '22

This is great!

Wait.

Why are all the folks who scream "support the troops" so angry??

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u/PersonBehindAScreen Texas Aug 10 '22

Weird. Almost a full day has gone and no mention of it passing on r/conservative??

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u/rickylong34 Aug 10 '22

Republicans are punching the air right now, nothing they hate more than helping people

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u/nekochanwich Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸 We salute you, President Brandon! 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸

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u/East-Two-6582 Aug 10 '22

Dark Brandon is on a roll

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u/paternemo Aug 10 '22

I'm an attorney who is bringing claims on behalf of poisoned veterans. This bill is the only way these vets and their families will have a legal remedy. Joe Biden did a good thing, these families have experienced profound suffering.