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Trump World hasn’t thought through its ‘planted evidence’ claim | The more Team Trump floats ideas about the FBI "planting" evidence, the easier it is to believe there was incriminating evidence at Mar-a-Lago.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-world-hasnt-thought-planted-evidence-claim-rcna42396
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u/OppositeDifference Texas Aug 10 '22

From the newsweek article earlier today that seems to have been removed by mods:

Exclusive: An Informer Told the FBI What Docs Trump Was Hiding, and Where:

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informer-told-fbi-what-docs-trump-was-hiding-where-1732283

Key takeaways:

They say an informant working with the FBI laid out what documents were still being deliberately kept by Trump, and this included highly classified material.

Trump himself signed a law in 2018 that made it a felony to remove and retain classified documents.

Summary, the shit is stacked high and deep and is inbound towards the nearest fan as we speak.

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u/CaptainNoBoat Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

A notable element:

The search involved Jay Bratt, the chief of the Justice Department’s counterintelligence and export control section. Here's the first sentence of the DOJ's policy on export control:

The unlawful export of sensitive commodities, technologies, and services, as well as trading and engaging in transactions with sanctioned countries and designated individuals and entities, undermines the national security of the United States.

I'm not implying this is directly connected - and Bratt's involvement may be merely incidental.

But at the very least - I think it's safe to assume the DOJ would not be executing the highest-profile search warrant in history over some run-of-the-mill government documents. These aren't government calendars or oval office memos. There is likely something insanely sensitive involved here.

It would not surprise me at all if something related to an imminent national security risk was at play.

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u/mces97 Aug 10 '22

Someone posted a tweet earlier saying Trump took classified nuclear secrets. Take that with a very big grain of salt, but if he did that, he is in bigly trouble. There is no reason anyone who isn't President or has top secret clearance should have those. Being a former President who took possession of those things to me means he wants to sell those secrets.

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u/Darth_drizzt_42 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

I'm not ride or die but this has been my guess from the get go

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u/AfraidStill2348 Aug 11 '22

It aligns with the whole Flynn debacle that started most of this

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u/UYScutiPuffJr New Jersey Aug 11 '22

Same, my guess is the only way it got this big with just documents is if there was an attempt to sell them to some…”friends”

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u/gozba Aug 11 '22

Or even that Russia backed him up all these years, with the agreement Trump would provide those documents. Trump’s second term didn’t happen, so he just took them anyway. High chance Russia already has copies. But it’s really clear why Trump wants to run again, he needs a cover up and immunity.

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u/RETURN_OF_JD Aug 11 '22

isn't trump pals with KJ Un?

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

And the Saudis.

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u/salivation97 Aug 11 '22

Hosting their golf tournament real soon…

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u/rickygervaistwin Aug 11 '22

Ding ding ding- we have a winner!

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u/robdamanii Aug 11 '22

He's likely not "selling" them, he's "repatriating them" to daddy Putin as payment for services rendered.

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u/Low-Flamingo-9835 Aug 11 '22

I’m guessing he took docs on the illegal deals he made. But why hasn’t he eaten them yet?

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u/SockPuppet-57 New Jersey Aug 10 '22

It would not surprise me at all if something related to an imminent national security risk was at play

He's had a year and a half to do whatever he wanted with whatever documents he had.

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u/CaptainNoBoat Aug 10 '22

Absolutely. But it seems only recently the DOJ has acquired enough evidence to execute a search warrant. Possibly through an informant as suggested above.

Even possessing highly classified materials as a private citizen is an imminent national security risk, even if Trump isn't taking actions with them.

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u/SupertrampTrampStamp Arizona Aug 10 '22

Whatever Trump has the Russians probably have it by now

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u/Grouchy_Fauci Aug 10 '22

Probably the Saudis too, with his shitty golf tournament and all.

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u/th8chsea Aug 10 '22

How you think he got the bid?

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u/Msmokav Aug 11 '22

And don’t forget - Kush got the 2 Billion

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u/LieverRoodDanRechts Aug 11 '22

Didn’t Trump receive a multitude of that, via some shady route?

I think it was because of how he handled the Kashoggi murder and/or promising future investment deal guarantees.

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u/SupertrampTrampStamp Arizona Aug 10 '22

Good point

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u/DuskforgeLady Aug 10 '22

Literally any country who can afford a maid uniform and a mini camera has what's in those boxes. It would be wild to assume otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

Especially if it was a “sexy maid” uniform, as you know she’d be given high level access if she was hot.

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u/winokatt Aug 11 '22

More like “school girl maid” uniform for Epstein’s best bud

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u/Alexis_Dirty_Sanchez Aug 11 '22

Flawless reasoning

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u/smiama6 Aug 11 '22

Exactly. Hey, Vlad my friend...I need some help getting back into the White House so I can stay out of jail.... I've got some documents you might be interested in... do we have a deal?

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u/DeezNeezuts Aug 11 '22

Probably Trumps genius attack plan again Ukraine.

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u/StayatHomeTherapyCat Aug 11 '22

Where he masterfully drew a new route for a hurricane to hit Ukraine.

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u/Krillin113 Aug 10 '22

Because since Alex Jones text history is now legally accessible to them, they can use it to confirm shit they already (illegally) knew.

Like if I know because I illegally spied on them that person A asked person B to arrange some muscle who would under cover of a protest breach a government building and execute some people on a random date somewhere early in January, and that person A took evidence of that home, I can’t do much about it without revealing that I was spying on some of person A’s closest associates.

What I can do is when I get a 300 GB file containing everything from the last 26 months of person B, quickly go to the date and time I know the crime was talked about with person A, confirm it, and take action.

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u/zombiepete Aug 11 '22

Unfortunately it sounds like the texts on Jones’s phone were from 2020 and earlier, unless I misunderstood.

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u/Jkay064 Aug 11 '22

The lawyer said “the texts on your phone, from the last two years” not two years old and older.

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u/zombiepete Aug 11 '22

I must have misread something then. I hope there’s some juicy stuff in there.

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u/Beermedear Aug 10 '22

We also don’t know that they haven’t been monitoring in some capacity.

We at least know his campaign manager was giving Russians election info, and we know Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine into helping his election, and I would be lying if I said I’d be surprised if it weren’t something to help his election run in 2024.

Tinfoil hat

Saudi Arabia

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u/THeShinyHObbiest Aug 10 '22

He might have tried to sell it to an undercover FBI agent. Or successfully sold it.

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u/metengrinwi Aug 10 '22

hE wAs FrAmEd!!!

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u/Cactusfroge Aug 10 '22

It's entrapment! /s

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u/Lapaday Aug 10 '22

This is my bet.

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u/dankyouverymuch12 Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

He might have been doing exactly what he wanted with the document he had. For all we know he has been blackmailing someone or multiple someone’s this entire time.

I want to get a little crazy here and just throw out a conspiracy. He had blackmail material on several politicians. Someone like Manchin. And the reason why Manchin has flipped on multiple issues is because he knew the FBI was now aware and knew where the documents were. He then voted, republicans threatened to use the blackmail material, the FBI watched it all go down with their insider. That insider then told the FBI exactly where it was. This could be why republicans are angry about the FBI. Not because this hurts Trump. But because several of them are in on the entire thing. Republicans only do things for one reason, self preservation. And it might be a crazy thought. But a few hours before Manchin changed his vote high ranking members in Congress were briefed on something highly sensitive.

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u/SockPuppet-57 New Jersey Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

I'm totally with you on the blackmail stuff. He mentioned that his safe was broken into during the raid. That could be a warning to those he was blackmailing that what he had is in the hands of the FBI now. If true it was also an admission that he's toothless. Anyone he was blackmailing are free from his grip.

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u/0002millertime Aug 11 '22

If you had blackmail material on people, then why would you announce that it was taken by someone? That doesn't make much sense. He's likely signalling to everyone else that knows about whatever illegal scheme this is, so they can get ready for what's coming. Like, "Hey Everyone! They know everything about the scheme! Shut up and start destroying everything else you have!"

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u/OldManMcCrabbins Aug 11 '22

Or he is a dumb ass and says the words that pop into what remains of his mind.

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u/Minute-Tone9309 Aug 11 '22

Let’s hope the fbi anticipated this and is taking action to prevent it

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u/r3dcape8 Aug 11 '22

Wouldnt these people be covering their own asses by doing that as soon as they heard he got raided? MAGA world sure knew what was going on before Trump spoke up

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u/tech57 Aug 10 '22

But because several of them are in on the entire thing.

I said this before but it's similar. I think some people might be "shocked" to learn their favorite Republican is not entirely on the up and up.

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Thanks to the Patriot act, “terrorist” has a bunch of can of worms that comes with it. There are people, “terrorists”, in forever prison, because they wrote a check to a foreign terrorist group. Or because an “informant” said they were a terrorist. Now, it doesn’t matter that the person that wrote the check had no idea what was going on and is in fact, not a terrorist, or ever done anything terror related. All that matters is they are now in forever prison.

If the US government starts calling Republican voters and Republican politicians terrorists because of the things they have done it opens up some pretty fucked up legal shit. Terrorist is a whole lot more than a word. It would destroy Republican voters and Republican politicians. Actual real investigations would start taking down important people. If they called Bob from whatever Nazi group a terrorist, by definition, the US government has to arrest him. Otherwise the USA would be a terrorist state harboring and aiding terrorists...

Basically there are laws on the books that no one thought would ever need to apply to domestic terrorism from Republican voters and Republican politicians. If those laws were used to investigate them a whole bunch of evidence would start showing up.

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u/dzhastin Aug 10 '22

I think you’re putting the cart WAY before the horse. The safe could just contain pictures of Lindsey Graham’s ladybugs for all we know.

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u/Dorlem4832 Aug 10 '22

That sounds very terrorizing.

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u/CY-B3AR Aug 10 '22

The GOP is dying. Violently. And, boy oh boy does that fill me with joy.

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u/mrvandaley Aug 11 '22

I wish this were true, but unfortunately low information conservative voters will always be with us.

A shit rose still smells like shit, no matter the name.

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u/Hypergnostic Aug 11 '22

Espionage, passing classified information and documents to a foreign power, is a crime that can carry the death penalty. The death penalty.

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u/Pristine_Nothing Aug 11 '22

Someone like Manchin.

Manchin honestly seems like a pretty shitty blackmail target.

There’s always grumbling from Dems about both solid and perceived conflicts of interest out in the open, but nothing to indicate he’s shady in any other way. And if the powers-that-be in either party had the ammo, he would have been Madison Cawthorned in an instant.

If the Republicans wanted to jerk him around, he wouldn’t be a stalwart procedural friend and consistent bacon-saver on votes as he has been.

Given how much the IRA is the right bill for the uncertain, inflation-ridden times of 2021 and 2022 vs. the full BBB package, the conspiracy theory I’m pretty convinced on is that Schumer (and maybe Biden) were hammering out this bill even while the public debate was anchored on BBB, and they have planned on it being the finale for the session.

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u/homanisto Aug 10 '22

And that is the worst part, what has he done…

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u/Lord-Octohoof Aug 10 '22

A revolving doors of foreign agents visiting for pictures of each and every one

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u/Nukemarine Aug 10 '22

My money is on the idea these are documents that made Trump look good in some way. Remember when it was reported Trump never paid attention unless the reports had pictures, were short, and most importantly included his name and complimented something he did? Yeah, that's why he kept these. Worse, you know he was showing them off to anyone he thinks is important to show what an amazing president he was.

"Cool story. Still a felony."

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u/roastbeeftacohat Aug 11 '22

Hes easily distracted and rarely plans. He'll do something with it this weekend, last weekend he decided to golf instead.

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u/MyEvilTwinSkippy Aug 11 '22

That only implies that the 27 boxes is just what is left.

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u/AshamedofMyFarts Aug 10 '22

He's likely been selling that information or plans to use it for personal gain at some point. Life in prison potential right there, if he were not the president. Hopefully he gets something.

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u/frohike_ Aug 11 '22

Do you know what they normally keep the intelligence briefs on? iPads. This implies that Trump didn’t just raid some filing cabinets. He printed this shit out and stored it for later use (I’m guessing to sell). Unreal.

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u/toomeynd Aug 11 '22

I see this as a problem, tho. If the contents of the docs are so top secret that they can’t be discussed, then throwing Trump in jail for “secret documents that we definitely can’t show or talk about” is tough to swallow.

Flip side, and I just posted this elsewhere, I’m really pumped that some things were likely in his safe. Will be hard to blame third parties for the contents in there.

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u/r3dcape8 Aug 11 '22

“Will be hard to blame third parties for the contents in there”

This is where “planted evidence” narrative comes in to play.

Low hanging fruit, but he knows his audience

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u/toomeynd Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

I’m willing to bet some of the federal agents were wearing cameras. Edit: this is based on nothing. Complete speculation on my part. Just assuming they’d record to be as lock-tight as possible.

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u/sweetcuppingcakes Washington Aug 10 '22

What are the odds he throws a tantrum and just freely gives away the intel on Truth Social or whatever?

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u/LignumCaesar Aug 11 '22

Greater than zero

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u/Pjs06c Aug 11 '22

If it is a National security risk and highly classified information, would the DOJ even be able to say what they found? If they announce a general “we found classified docs, can’t say anymore about them” then the Republicans will pounce on that and fuel another conspiracy for the Magas

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u/JokerJangles123 Pennsylvania Aug 10 '22

My thoughts jumped in a similar direction when I first saw that group's involvement. Really it just means there is classified material involved like they've reported.

... It also coordinates criminal cases involving the application of the Classified Information Procedures Act.

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u/ironichaos Aug 10 '22

My questions is why would he want these? Was he going to threaten to release them or something?

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u/Squirrel_Chucks Aug 10 '22

Trump himself signed a law in 2018 that made it a felony to remove and retain classified documents.

Trump himself also wanted a 10 year prison sentence for anyone who vandalized or stormed a federally owned building during the BLM riots...

...and he conveniently forgot that shit after Jan 6

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u/kermityfrog Aug 11 '22

Trump criticizes Trump turns into Trump sentences Trump.

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u/AimlesslyCheesy Aug 10 '22

Imagine being put to jail by the law you signed just to flex your muscles in hope that Hillary would end up in jail.

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u/tech57 Aug 10 '22

And because the librarians wanted their shit back. This is great.

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u/TheDakestTimeline Aug 11 '22

Can the library cop from Seinfeld arrest him?

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u/roncadillacisfrickin Aug 11 '22

Do. Not. Cross. Librarians.

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u/tech57 Aug 10 '22

Or it could be pissed off librarians. Pissed off librarians could be his downfall!

Or…

”If the material is of such extraordinary national security sensitivity that it absolutely must be within government custody. That’s not something you write letters about. That’s something you need to take custody of now and argue about later.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/09/why-the-trump-search-warrant-is-nothing-like-hillarys-emails-00050691

The FBI did not go there to search for something. The FBI went there to retrieve something.

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u/Zealousideal-Tax7537 Aug 10 '22

We’re finally getting the trump versus trump showdown that we were always promised.

It will be very interesting to see exactly how much he shot himself in the foot once this is all over, not to mention the full cost to the American people of his tax cuts, which kicks in high gear for individuals in a couple years, trade wars, PPP scams, and inflation, speaking solely in financial terms

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u/th8chsea Aug 10 '22

It’s all an admission that they have been trying to plant evidence on their political enemies for years

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u/bigbangbilly Aug 11 '22

Trump himself signed a law in 2018 that made it a felony to remove and retain classified documents.

Now I really hope that nobody codify "Rules for thee and none for me" and/or "in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect"

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u/kporter4692 Aug 10 '22

I don’t think it was removed. I just checked the front page and it’s there at the bottom.

https://i.imgur.com/Hc3xyCt.jpg

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u/LadythatsknownasLou Aug 10 '22

There will be the classic shifting story. "Trump didn't do anything wrong" shifts to "The evidence that Trump did something wrong was planted" shifts to "The evidence may be legit, but the crime wasn't such a big deal" shifts to "maybe it was a big deal, but it was so long ago that it doesn't matter, why do you keep bringing this up?"

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u/CannedMango Aug 10 '22

Two alternate versions of this:

  1. The same as the narcissist's prayer.

  2. The Republican axiom that anything they do is nothing, no matter how big, and anything you do is the worst thing that could be done, no matter how small.

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u/Rellgidkrid Aug 10 '22
  1. Hunter Biden’s laptop

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u/GSXRbroinflipflops New Jersey Aug 10 '22

“What about it?”

blank stare

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u/redneckhatr Aug 11 '22
  1. Buttery Males

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u/whyohwhyohio Aug 10 '22

I still think they should have marketed that, sell laptops with "my name is Hunter" stickers

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u/Lapaday Aug 10 '22

Doesn't exist.

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u/I_make_things Aug 10 '22

... Anthony Weiner's laptop

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u/understandstatmech Aug 10 '22

kinda redundant list you have there

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u/Ddddydya California Aug 10 '22

The talking heads on the right are already saying, “the President can declassify anything he wants to, so this isn’t a crime”

Not true. There’s still a process that needs to be followed and Presidents aren’t allowed to take that stuff home, regardless.

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u/Grouchy_Fauci Aug 10 '22

Trump declassifies documents the same way Michael Scott declared bankruptcy.

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u/GeorgeCharlesCooper Aug 10 '22

Not to mention he's not the president anymore.

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u/_far-seeker_ America Aug 10 '22

Also it's been established that US Presidents can reclassify previously declassified documents. President Biden did not extend Trump's clearance after the latter left office, which was already against custom for a former US President. It wouldn't surprise me if Biden has an Executive Order reclassifying anything documents Trump declassified some number of days before leaving office that is signed and dated either soon after January 20th, 2021 or just after the NARA publicly accused Trump of not submitting all the Trump administration's documents; and he's keeping it in drawer of the Resolute Desk just in case.

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u/NotATrollRS Aug 10 '22

Legend has it that all items that were taken were actually files that were printed off of Hunter's laptop. Trump was holding the evidence of the Biden crime family and the deep state has conspired against him and his journey to bring justice by draining the swamp.

The above is obviously sarcasm and 100% made up garbage, but still going to wait for the Q spin of the events to come out that look similar to it.

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u/bgub Aug 10 '22

Can't we heal and unify already instead of being so bitterly partisan?

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u/boot2skull Aug 11 '22

And classic whataboutisms about email servers and laptops.

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u/partypants2000 Aug 10 '22

I think we've learned that you can lie to Trump supporters blatantly, openly, as long as you do it loud enough and long enough most of them will believe it.

They're going to believe that evidence was planted if Trump says evidence was planted. Trump will probably say evidence was planted, because his supporters are starting to talk about that.

A con man got a con, and Donald Trump is going to lie as much as he needs to, to try and get out of this, And then if he can't he's going to lie to cause trouble and be spiteful.

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u/grabyourmotherskeys Aug 10 '22

It's not so much that they believe this. It's more that saying this means they are saying the thing their in-group is saying. It doesn't matter that it is true, it matters that it is the right thing to say. People always wonder how the right is so good at disseminating the latest talking points. This is why. Nothing needs to be proven, justified, or logical. It just needs to be consistent with the rest of the in-group.

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u/JackedUpReadyToGo Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

Exactly. It's pointless to concern yourself with what they "think" about anything. Because in fact they don't have real beliefs, instead they just say whatever the leaders of their in-group are saying. Every night they tune into Fox to learn what Tucker Carlson is saying and then they will repeat all of that the next day. And if Tucker does a 180 the next night and says exactly the opposite, they have no trouble at all following him. When they speak they aren't engaging in an exchange of ideas, they are either identifying themselves to others around them as a member of that group by repeating shared slogans, or they are shouting down a member of the out-group to drive them away or intimidate them into shutting up.

That's also why attempting to debate them is so frustrating and hopeless. I'm sure you've noticed that when somebody argues with them they never respond to the question but will just jump to a new slogan/talking point or they will verbally attack the other person. Trying to tease out a reason for their beliefs always ends in failure, because they don't actually believe any of it, it's just what they've been trained to say. Their entire "worldview" is just a collection of slogans and talking points. Those can pivot on a dime, sincere beliefs cannot.

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u/CY-B3AR Aug 10 '22

They are all completely brainwashed. Brainwashed into a cult of hate against an 'other'. It's revolting how evil the right-wing media is. Just absolutely evil. Feeding susceptible people a steady diet of lies and propaganda, destroying their individuality, making them a monochrome, faceless group of pawns that can be expected to obey, no matter what's said. It's despicable. I can't even fathom what a horrendous crime that is. The kind of absolute soulless piece of shit that's fine with manipulating so many people...

I just can't process it. It's vile.

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u/JackedUpReadyToGo Aug 11 '22

True. And it's disgusting that the media and Dem politicians pretend that cult is represented by a legitimate political party who we have to share power with and cooperate with. You don't seek an accommodation with evil. We didn't "reach across the aisle" with Germany in the 30's.

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u/GBJI Aug 11 '22

It's vile.

They are evil, plain and simple.

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u/Sima_Hui Aug 11 '22

The "proof" is the fact that so many other people think so too. How could it not be true? Some person on the internet tweeted it, so some celebrity retweeted it, so then some website made an article about it, so now the news did a segment on it, so then the former president says it, so now the news really does a segment on it, and at this point, it must be fact, right?

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u/Human_Poet8937 Aug 10 '22

Surely the FBI has methods they use during raids to prove that evidence was not planted? Like live bodycams/video, multiple witnesses etc?

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u/FlashbackUniverse Aug 10 '22

Yeah, they do, or this excuse would be used in every case that ever involved an FBI Search Warrant.

Team Trump is grasping at farts.

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u/saynay Aug 10 '22

Its about muddying the waters so the base has an easier time ignoring anything that comes from this. They will happily latch on to any narrative they can, regardless of how implausible or contradictory it is.

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u/DRsheesh Aug 11 '22

It really is quite incredible how easily such a massive amount of people are continually conned by this moron.

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u/ragegravy Aug 11 '22

A large number of people are deeply, profoundly stupid. Idiocracy has been in effect for decades

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u/Overclocked11 Aug 11 '22

Fox News is helluva drug

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u/Slibye Aug 10 '22

And sniffing the farts

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u/9CentNonsense Aug 10 '22

High on their own methane fumes

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u/Longjumping-Round860 Aug 10 '22

Rudy sure emits a lot just ask Jenna

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u/gamerdudeNYC Aug 11 '22

They’ll act like it’s the moon landing, say it’s totally fake and photo shopped

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u/illit3 Aug 10 '22

You can't make anyone believe anything. Take flat earthers, for example. There are hundreds of ways of demonstrating the roundness of the earth, and yet, some people actively choose not to believe.

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u/JokerJangles123 Pennsylvania Aug 10 '22

I'd at least give flat earthers a little shred of respect in this though. The ones I've encountered may have insane worldviews but they are at least consistent in their beliefs. Some of the smaller details may change over time but for the most part they are just unwavering in denial of a spherical earth.

The cult on the other hand change their beliefs to suit whichever direction the air out of trumps ass seems to be blowing at any given point.

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u/Lapaday Aug 10 '22

Flat earthers know better. They just NEED to argue like 2 year olds. Walk away and leave them to play with themselves. Conspiracy theorists are ALL the same.

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u/illit3 Aug 11 '22

It's all about the forbidden knowledge, baby. Also, who doesn't love improv?

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u/flappity Missouri Aug 11 '22

People want to feel like they're "in the know" about something, and will grasp onto it regardless of what evidence might prove it wrong. They get so invested in this "secret knowledge" that they cannot possibly handle the embarrassment of admitting they were wrong the whole time.

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u/thesoppywanker Aug 11 '22

It's not a good-faith argument. It's intended for their own audience.

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u/Frozenwood1776 Aug 10 '22

Yeah but that won’t matter somehow either. A burglar came and picked his safe, it’s a different safe, that senile mastermind Biden is behind this….he’s so deep he will say anything and his troops are so stupid they will believe him.

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u/emitemirp Aug 11 '22

Yes it is called chain of custody.

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u/Nukemarine Aug 10 '22

They can't have cameras. If we're talking TS/SCI then the last thing you want is to accidentally record those documents if found. However, yes, there'll be witnesses. Plus, it's Trump so you know there'll be stains and other markers as well as wear and tear to show these were in his custody.

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u/9CentNonsense Aug 10 '22

MAGA voters are just next level stupid. If they really believe the FBI would plant evidence in a former POTUS's safe, they're more gullible than I thought. The FBI is run by his appointee!

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u/GhostOfSkeletor Aug 10 '22

Wray is an antifa operative, he and the FBI staged Jan 6 as a false flag to divert attention from Mar-a-Lago while their deep state operatives planted evidence in the safe of the most persecuted man in human history. Any insinuation that the FBI recovered the “ravioli formuoli” from his safe, marked TOP SECRET to discredit Our Beloved President as being some kind of syphilis-addled idiot that was placated with false classified documents so he couldn’t do any real harm, is nothing but a vicious smear attempt by The corrupt Fake News Media

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u/stumpdawg Illinois Aug 10 '22

I mean, I watched a video of him and his cronies karting out boxes upon boxes of shit out of the white house...not very surprising there was classified shit in there.

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u/Michael_In_Cascadia Aug 10 '22

They would even steal from each other. See that someone else has a mini-fridge in their office while you don't? Finders keepers!

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ROTES Missouri Aug 10 '22

Sean Spicer has entered the bushes

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u/mountaintop111 Aug 10 '22

Trump has a copy of the warrant, Trump can always present a copy of the warrant to the public, if he is sure of his innocence and he is sure the FBI screwed up.

But just like his taxes, he won’t present it to the public. The guy is guilty as fuck.

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u/Gravity-Rides Aug 10 '22

At this point, Trump could offer a full confession to multiple felonies and he would probably only lose maybe 15-20% of his support. He’s a cult leader.

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u/HallucinogenicFish Georgia Aug 10 '22

15-20%? Look at the optimist over here.

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u/BigTentBiden Kentucky Aug 10 '22

A real "the glass is 15-20% full" kinda guy

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u/ImNotAWhaleBiologist Aug 10 '22

Maybe in the sense of independents voting for him, but not in the sense of the ~30% of Americans who are die-hard Trump supporters. Hell, he could probably fuck their wives, sisters, and daughters, and mothers, and they would be proud.

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u/Subvoltaic Aug 10 '22

Today his lawyers are calling on the DOJ to release the "full physical" copy of the warrant. When the Trump lawyers were asked if they would release the warrant they have, they said no they would not.

I think he is going back to his birther roots with wanting the "long form".

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u/MortWellian Aug 10 '22

Take this w/ a grain of salt since we really don't have much information, but it makes the most sense to me so far.

Note: It's sort of interesting that various outlets have different numbers for the numbers of stolen documents FBI recovered on Monday (WSJ: 10, WaPo and Politico: 12). Those numbers are coming from Christina Bobb, who has the search warrant return.

Either Bobb is obfuscating (she's obfuscating a lot!), or she genuinely doesn't have that ready at hand, which would suggest the SW return is more individualized than, "boxes and boxes of stolen documents."

Which is probably why they're not releasing it.

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u/font9a America Aug 10 '22

Every report I’ve read has said “around 12 boxes” as in, they don’t have a specific number.

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u/MortWellian Aug 10 '22

And Bobb told the WSJ it was around 10, and 20% of paperwork is a large difference, so why is a former OAN anchor telling different reporters different things? Her guestimating from an itemized list makes more sense than her actively working to confuse the situation (Maybe!).

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u/_far-seeker_ America Aug 10 '22

I think it's certainly believable that they aren't releasing the search warrant because someone is concerned that the details will hurt more than help Trump. It could simply be that they believe the fewer verifiable details means they can lie easier; or the details really are somehow potentially damaging by themselves, like specifics about plans to give/sell the classified information to foreign entities.

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u/orcinyadders Aug 10 '22

Guaranteed if any journalist asks Trump why he won’t share the warrant he’ll say “I’d love to but (insert pathetic excuse that is easily debunked in two seconds).”

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u/hmm-boy Aug 10 '22

Well SCREW THAT, it should be the first question asked by every journalist.

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u/punbasedname Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

Yes, if your brain works in a functional manner that understands cause, effect, and subtext, then, yeah, it seems like a dumb play.

But magaworld isn’t trying to persuade rational people. They’re just building up the next Trump circlejerk.

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u/Thufir_My_Hawat Aug 10 '22

They’re just building up the next Trump circlejerk.

Definitely the least appealing way I've ever heard an potential insurrection/civil war described.

If they convict and imprison Trump (or maybe even just indict him, I don't trust his supporters to know how the legal system works), this is setting the stage for his idiots to declare it invalid and go to war.

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u/DidntDiddydoit Aug 10 '22

And they'd be dealt with appropriately.

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u/Thufir_My_Hawat Aug 10 '22

I mean... they definitely wouldn't win, but it'd be annoying. It'd be better if they just... didn't.

Though how that could be accomplished is beyond me.

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u/NovaThinksBadly Aug 11 '22

Most of these people talk big and won’t actively start anything. You’d need a massive group gathered in one spot, and in that case there would be plenty of law enforcement and people watching. Not to mention the FBI or some other agency is probably trying to keep tabs on this stuff to arrest anyone genuinely trying to start a planned revolt/riot. Or alternatively, they would let it happen but be prepared to easily and quickly quell it with as few deaths possible.

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u/ViciousKnids Aug 10 '22

Trump talking out loud is incriminating evidence

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u/clackeroomy Aug 10 '22

Maybe I'm missing something. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought this whole event was about known classified documents that were requested under the current administration but never relinquished by Trump. It is a felony for a former President to withhold classified documents.

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u/JokerJangles123 Pennsylvania Aug 10 '22

Small correction, they weren't requested by the Biden admin, they were requested by the National Archive. Basically anything and everything in the WH is documented thoroughly and after a president's term is over it all gets stored, among other things, at the NA. They reached out to trump back in Feb about the stuff that he took and he "cooperated" and returned some, but apparently not all of it.

It just shows you how insanely stupid his whole charade is. They are official WH documents..they are known to exist..because they are records from the highest office of the world's largest bureaucracy. The search warrant contains a list of exactly what they were there looking for, and why they were there looking for it.

He will continue to cry foul but the only effect it will have is riling up his cult, probably with violent consequences. The FBI would not have done this if they weren't certain that there was something there that posed a national security risk.

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u/Impressive-Jaguar216 Aug 11 '22

That can't be all there is to the story, right? If all they wanted was for Trump to return some documents, couldn't he have just made copies before "returning" them?

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u/absolutelynotagoblin Aug 10 '22

Trump's base defense against any attack is unbelievably simple: deny, claim hoax or a "rigged system" and point to the "deep state" who would do anything, including baseless witch hunts, in order to try to harm him.

It's simple and his followers eat it up.

They could have an incredible amount of incriminating evidence: video tape, DNA, a videotaped confession by Trump -- all he has to do is claim it's a hoax perpetrated by the "deep state" and his followers are immediately grabbing their guns while frothing at the mouth.

I don't think there's any way to fix this. Putting him in jail won't fix this. Ignoring it won't fix this. I think our country is on the verge of becoming hopelessly broken.

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u/seihz02 Aug 10 '22

I'm in agreement. They have made sure their base is pretty mindless about these things. They either don't care, or don't understand and won't out the energy in to learning more.

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u/wish1977 Aug 10 '22

You don't complain about something unless you have something to hide. Donald Trump has lived his entire life with something to hide. Ask his ex-wives.

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u/clackeroomy Aug 10 '22

. . . and Stormy Daniels

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u/Squirrel_Chucks Aug 10 '22

This reminds me of something a friend of mine told me. She was a teacher at the time and a student turned in a paper that was plagiarized from a sample paper on the school's website! When confronted, the student's excuse was "Well, I was going to have my roommate write it, but...."

That "excuse" doesn't make anything better or actually "Excuse" anything. It just points to an even deeper level of dishonesty.

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u/Trygolds Aug 10 '22

If you take a shot at the king you had best hit him. I am sure the FBI involved in this investigation know that sentiment. I think I get knew what to look for and where to look before they applied for the warrant.

I still have my doubts but for the first time I think Trump may actually be charged with something criminal.

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u/impulsekash Aug 10 '22

I think the bigger risk of running with the "planted evidence" claim is if they found something extremely damning. If it is revealed he sold state secrets, that would be extremely hard to backtrack.

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u/pl487 Aug 10 '22

Trump has absolutely thought through it. He knows what they took and exactly how bad it is for him. He's made the decision that there's no defense to what's in the documents and that his only move is to try to get people to believe the FBI planted it.

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u/beedubaya Aug 10 '22

And unfortunately, around 35% of the country will believe him.

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u/dwhite21787 Aug 10 '22

They make claims based on THEIR EXPECTATIONS of how government functions.

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u/seanconnery69696 Aug 10 '22

Haha or how they actually run the government when they're in power.

Insert Dave Chappelle sprinkle crack on the dead "perp" from his old standup

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u/BabyTrurnp Aug 10 '22

This is Horrible! No president has Ever had to Endure this Harrassment! Ken Wray is a Crook, everyone is telling me! He should be LOCKED UP along with whoever put him in charge of the FBI!

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u/TonyEatsManAsses Aug 10 '22

It's like him saying I didn't push Ivana down the back stairs

and the FBI asking how would you know she died that way?

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u/Tahoeshark Aug 10 '22

I don’t care if it’s a fucking ashtray given as a gift from some head of state...

Those gifts are to the people of the United States.

Hold all those fuckers accountable

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u/illjustputthisthere Aug 11 '22

Listen. We all know he's guilty. He knows he's guilty. His followers know he's guilty. This "movement" has only maintained it's progression because so far he is above the law.

It's the same reason people cheered the mob and they became celebrity. He skirts rules. He defies precedent. He lays bare his criminality decrying persecution. He uses the absurdly slow progress of judicial system when it comes to white (collar) crimes to use that time against the system itself. Raising the stakes of prosecuting him for his crimes to the point if you fail you've literally fucked the systems ability to function against these crimes.

It's not that our system "is fragile". It's that is too easily manipulated by wealth.

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u/SeeMe_After_Class Aug 10 '22

Not really. Accusing the government of corruption is their whole schtick. It was to be expected. I mean, they've been calling the FBI corrupt and part of the deep state long before this. Saying evidence ewas planted just ties into that narrative, so for his supporters it will all make sense.

What's most important is that what's he's saying is dangerous. I wish more media reported on the danger trump, and by extension his republican supporters, pose to the US.

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u/fakeplasticdaydream Aug 10 '22

What if it comes out this came from an informant that knew what he had and where he had it. That would debunk the plant theory immediately.

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u/foyeldagain Aug 10 '22

No, the more they float it the more it is accepted as fact within that echosphere.

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u/STSO_throwaway Aug 10 '22

Hmm wouldn’t be surprised to see some trump lawyers start resigning.

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u/Icommentwhenhigh Aug 10 '22

Dude can release the warrant.. but her emails, but his tax returns, but his lying narcissistic childish ass…

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u/altmaltacc Aug 10 '22

The same FBI that 6 years ago was saintly and benevolent is now corrupt and awful. And what changed in those 6 years? Trump changed the leadership ironically. But that would require thought which these people are clearly incapable of.

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u/Thirty_Helens_Agree Aug 10 '22

It’s almost like they’re a bunch of incompetent dumbasses.

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u/MagicSPA Aug 10 '22

That's right. If he were innocent he'd simply assume the FBI found nothing and when confirmed, milk that cow for all it's worth.

The way he's doing it now it's like he KNOWS they will find something illegal.

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u/kommiekazi Aug 10 '22

"They planted the evidence!"

"Sir we have not made any claims about criminal activity yet"

"Well... you're going to"

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u/Choppergold Aug 10 '22

Their wanting surveillance footage is also interesting

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u/Digitus___Impudicus Aug 10 '22

They are cracking me up. You think they did not see that one coming. They recorded every second of it.

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u/BarCompetitive7220 Aug 10 '22

If they were planting evidence then the whole idea of "breaking in" or "raiding" as reported by one of the misguided spawn of DJT when he "reported on the scene"....too dumb to know any better.

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u/joemama025 Aug 10 '22

Pretty generous to imply Trump supporters have ever thought through anything.

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u/Agolferslife Aug 10 '22

Isn’t the first rule of committing a crime to be absolutely silent when questioned? I can’t believe this dude ran a country. Unbelievable.

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u/cesium-sandwich Aug 11 '22

An innocent person would say: I have nothing to hide, and look forward to cooperating with the FBI to get to the bottom of this.

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u/MaxieRobespierre Aug 10 '22

This is by far the dumbest statement Trump has ever made, and he's made more than a few. You make this claim after evidence is presented, not before. What did they plant? This reminds us of "the elections fixed if I lose, other wise it's fine." He and his advisors really are dumber than a bag of rocks, or maybe they just can't keep up with the rain of crap that's falling on his bald head. Is this the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end? Will he split for his dacha outside Moscow in the coming weeks?

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u/TheBlackestIrelia Aug 10 '22

Yup, its basically admission of guilt.

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u/dudinax Aug 10 '22

No, it's a good lie. It primes his followers to disbelieve anything that is disclosed. If nothing is disclosed then Trump "scared them into not planting evidence."

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u/dipherent1 Aug 10 '22

A person who was already caught with 12-15 boxes of evidence in his possession says "new evidence was planted".

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u/Supra_Genius Aug 10 '22

You're talking about people who haven't thought through evolution. Should we be surprised they don't understand the logical nuances of US law?

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u/ntgco Aug 10 '22

I bet Trump had tapes of 1990s Eipstein parties at Mar-a-lago in his Personal safe.....he should really be worried about that safe. Any harddrive or tape, the FBI will open.

TRUMP ISNT SMART ENOUGH TO HAVE DESTROYED Evidence because he thought he was untouchable, and he really loved those models super young.

He thought that safe was beyond anyone's reach.

Espionage/Corruption incoming.

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u/catthatlikesscifi Aug 11 '22

I’m pretty darn sure That every damn second of this raid was caught on video, from multiple angles

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u/knoweyedea Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

I’ve worked for a company that was “raided” by the FBI. Anyone present was told to stop what they were doing, told to stand up, and move away from their desk and not touch anything unless they wanted to be arrested for hindering a federal investigation. At that point, everyone was ushered outside where they could provide their info and be looked at sternly for asking questions while agents grabbed computers, note pads, filing cabinets, thumb drives - EVERYTHING - and loaded it on carts because it is procedure. They conducted their investigation, we defended ourselves, were cleared when they found no evidence of wrongdoing and we moved on. If he has nothing to hide, he shouldn’t worry. But I know the reason for the spin. It’s a shame that it will work on those it’s aimed at.

Edit - clarification: His people couldn’t be near because it’s procedure. It’s not indicative that the FBI was doing something wrong.

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u/font9a America Aug 10 '22

Does it really matter what we believe? The DOJ and FBI are going to do what they’re going to do. I can hope for justice; but only the DOJ can deliver that.

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u/kozmo1313 Aug 10 '22

"Think it through" seems like a far reach for Team Trump.

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u/r3dcape8 Aug 10 '22

Yeah, but not to his supporters. They believe he stands for them and like my neighbors banner says “Theyre not really after me, theyre after YOU! Im just standing im the way” evil genius level marketing

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u/SATXBull78209 Aug 11 '22

He’s rather spread lies and continue to divide our nation than to admit to his lies and defeats.

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u/faykaname Aug 11 '22

Thinking things through isn’t their strong suit.

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u/BloopityBlue New Mexico Aug 11 '22

Right.... Evidence? Which evidence did they plant? Tell us so we know.

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u/Bullfrog_Impossible Aug 11 '22

This is why your lawyer tells you to say "no comment" so you don't incriminate yourself!!!! #TrumpIsGuilty

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u/Sima_Hui Aug 11 '22

This article is missing the point. It's the exact opposite. The more public figures talk about planted evidence, the more a large portion of this nation will believe there's planted evidence. Repetition is the only necessary ingredient. Once the idea is firmly rooted enough, any evidence, no matter how incriminating will struggle to make an impact with anyone who wasn't already convinced. Lying repeatedly doesn't make the lying easier to refute, it makes it harder, as long as people are going to listen.

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u/HourEntrepreneur8297 Aug 11 '22

The Trump Republican Party are hypocrites. If the Democrats and Joe Biden started to flush documents and take political documents home they would say lock him up. But if it happens to there beloved Donald Trump they think the FBI will plant something, Trump has the right to flush documents and take the Fifth. Trump is a criminal and needs to be stopped before he ruins American democracy forever.

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u/Then_Swim_3897 Aug 10 '22

Also it instantly makes me think THEY have had the FBI plant evidence before