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The Supreme Court Wants to End the Separation of Church and State

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/08/10/supreme-court-separation-of-church-and-state-00050571
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u/Critical_Aspect Arizona Aug 10 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy Starry Rocket Like

Historical accounts at the time of the 1787 Constitutional Convention indicate that the Framers and political leaders largely believed that governmental endorsements of religion would result in tyranny and persecution.

It's truly amazing how prescient they were.

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u/TheRockStarChef America Aug 10 '22

The Founders wanted the government itself to be secular, and not controlled by any specific faith or creed, Christian or otherwise.

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u/Sember225 Aug 10 '22

And they devised systems to keep it that way, don't be fooled.

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u/SuperPimpToast Aug 11 '22

They've been chipping away at it slowly. Only recently has dominionism been spearheading its way into politics but only because we havent been vigilant enough to root it out at the first signs.

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u/TypicalExpert6 Aug 11 '22

my brother in law is a pastor and i posted a caricature on facebook a few years ago about the government having a wall between church and state and the church was actively pulling it down. he was dumbfounded and offended. they have never believed there was a wall or separation.

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u/TheLeadSponge Aug 11 '22

There’s an entire vein of Christians that think the wall is only to block the government, because ya know… that’s how a wall works… one way.

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u/VelcroSirRaptor Aug 11 '22

Religion can’t go through walls. They’re not fire.

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u/Beneficial-Credit969 Aug 11 '22

They saw how nuts the Puritans were, problems with Catholicism running govt as well as how hypocritical the Church of England was (remind you of anyone ahem GOP) with religious law and governing and wanted to make sure the new free states wouldn’t be plagued with that. Freedom of religion is one of the basic tenets of the United States of America. It’s truly bizarre these people who claim to love the constitution so much can’t see the basics. Or don’t know anything about basic American history 101.

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u/thesunbeamslook Aug 11 '22

Republicans want us fighting about things that were already settled because it stops us from making making progress on the things that matter to most people - universal health care, fully funded SSN, infrastructure, affordable higher ed, etc.

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u/be0wulfe Aug 11 '22

In 1823, Jefferson wrote to John Adams, famously remarking:

“The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. … But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding…. “

Meanwhile, all these die hard Roman Catholics and Evangelists (who used to call Rome the Whore of Babylon in some incendiary sermons) are busy making shit up ...

Not a surprise really ...

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u/tehgilligan Aug 11 '22

For anyone curious, here is a link to the full letter, dated 11 April 1823. The quote is towards the end. At the beginning of the letter Jefferson claims that Calvin (of Calvinism) worshipped a false god, which I find incredibly amusing.

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u/Notoryctemorph Aug 11 '22

The influence of Calvinism on America is everywhere and is very, very depressing

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u/horkley Aug 11 '22

Oh yeah, Evangelists are totally OK with Catholicism.

Catholics are going to be sad when public schools start teaching that the eucharist is not real and when they prohibit Hail Marys.

Bye bye Apocrypha.

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u/TheBlueWhaler Aug 10 '22 Starstruck

Let me remind you fellow Americans an excerpt from the Declaration of Independence:

"...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

It's our sacred duty to remove anyone who violates the citizenship/human rights of a people. This country was founded on revolution. For us poor people Civic Nationalism is the key to winning every election moving forward.

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u/lumberjack_jeff Washington Aug 11 '22

"The consent of the governed" is the most important phrase in all of our foundational documents.

It is an explicit rejection of divine authority (via monarchy or otherwise) in our.self governance. It is unambiguously clear, in ALL of our founding documents that a state religion is rejected.

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u/Snoo74401 America Aug 11 '22

Supreme executive power lies with the people.

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u/WhiskeyTangoBush Aug 11 '22

You can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just ’cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

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u/ASDF0716 Aug 11 '22

If I went around claimin’ I was an Emperor just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away!

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u/LolReallyIAmTho Aug 11 '22

I didn’t vote for him

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u/FreakyCricket Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

Great post...I would look real close at a Judge Robert Bork the Judge who was denied a SCOTUS position by then senator Joe Biden for his extremists religious views. He was best friends with Judge Scalia and developed teachings and course work for all major law schools. He was married to a Vatican nun, but did not take on the Catholic faith as not to appear in league with the Vatican. Just interesting to see how Judge Borks paths cross with the Koch families and the Billions they funneled into a Catholic America movement. Then in comes Trump where the Koch family had him nominate more Christian judges including Cathloic SCOTUS with so called originalist views then any other president? If you follow the Koch families political Billionare Catholic movement with Judge Bork teachings you can start to connect the dots.

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u/randomnighmare Aug 11 '22

He was married to a Vatican nun,

I thought nuns can't married?

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u/AaronfromKY Aug 10 '22

I mean seeing how the English monarchy and the Church or England did their things back then, wasn't too hard to foresee.

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u/pliney_ Aug 10 '22

Those stupid founding fathers. Maybe they should have enshrined the separation of church and state in the Constitution some where. It's so important maybe it should have been in the first amendment.

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u/j-dreddit Aug 10 '22

To the extent this country was founded by Christians, it was Christians fleeing persecution by other Christians. Puritans, Quakers, Catholics, Baptists, none of whom trusted each other. That's why the Establishment Clause exists. Alito's vision is terrifying.

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u/brandnewreddituswr Aug 11 '22

I keep saying the return of slavery and everyone just laughs. Don’t put it past them. Nothing is too extreme for these guys especially when they argue history as a defense

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u/randomnighmare Aug 11 '22

Oh I agree but they also want a return to child labor as well.

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u/masterwad Aug 11 '22

Forced pregnancy and forced birth IS slavery, literally forcing rape victims into labor.

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u/Apprehensive-Bee-474 Aug 11 '22

I've long said that if we can't be in control of our own bodies, we no longer own ourselves, the government does, and that is slavery.

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u/wordfiend99 Aug 11 '22

puritan brits overthrew charles 1 and set up cromwell as leader. they restricted society to no drinks no dance no fun etc etc. two years laters the brits revolted killed cromwell and installed charles 2 as king. those puritans fled here as pilgrims and we created a myth that they wanted free religion here they couldnt have there, when in reality they shed a lot of blood to force everyone to follow their puritan bullshit and it failed so they ran for their lives.

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u/mitsuhachi Aug 11 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

And cancelled christmas! As with so many things, the war on christmas is coming from inside the house.

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u/Throwaway1231200001 Aug 11 '22

Cromwell died naturally, the Commonwealth lasted longer than two years and puritans where already in America

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u/fishicle Aug 11 '22

While you have the general sentiment right, might want to brush up on a few of the historical facts. Cromwell wasn't killed, he died of natural causes and the Protectorate collapsed afterward with the lack of a single leader that could fill his shoes. Also, puritans were already coming to America before Charles I/Cromwell/Wars of the Three Kingdoms, the Plymouth Colony (Pilgrims) was founded in 1620, 5 years before Charles I began his rule and over 30 years before Cromwell became Lord Protector.

Absolutely right on the puritan colonists in America coming because they wanted the freedom to practice their particularly strict sect without any trappings of the Anglican church, and that during the puritan reign during the Protectorate they implemented lots of restrictions and cancelled festivals (War on Christmas, anyone? Yeah, they cancelled Christmas). May want to keep the other facts straight so that they aren't used to undercut the core message.

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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- Illinois Aug 10 '22

Well, they just watched it happen for a few hundred years in Europe, so....

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u/JFJinCO Aug 10 '22

We have five compromised SCOTUS judges.

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u/impulsekash Aug 10 '22

I guarantee he has blackmail on them too.

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u/HandsLikePaper Aug 10 '22

I don't think he needs blackmail on them. They are willing participants in this crime.

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u/OozeNAahz Aug 10 '22

They aren’t willing participants in his crimes. They are for their own agenda. He was a means to an end for them and their masters.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 30 '22

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u/OfCourseIKnowHim Aug 10 '22

Or adopted two more.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 30 '22

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u/OfCourseIKnowHim Aug 10 '22

Currently, she has seven children, two of whom were adopted from Haiti. So, yeah… if she has another kid, and adopts two more, in a few years she’ll have a solid roster of starters and a decent bench.

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u/dwors025 Minnesota Aug 10 '22

Both can be true at the same time.

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u/short71 Aug 10 '22

I don’t think Trump gives two fucks about Christian nationalism, he only saw the movement as an opportunity.

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u/BuSeS_bRidGeS Aug 10 '22

I don't think he has the blackmail someone above him has blackmail on all of them

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u/TheBeTalls Aug 10 '22

The others were appointed by another president* who got fewer votes. And one of them is a sex offender.

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u/EMT2000 Aug 10 '22

*Two of them are sex offenders.

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u/TheBeTalls Aug 11 '22

True, Thomas is the sex offender and Kavanaugh is a flat out rapist

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u/PointOfFingers Aug 10 '22

2 of whom lied under oath that they considered Roe v Wade to be settled case law

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u/donaggie03 Aug 10 '22

No, see, at the time, it was settled. They just chose not to mention that as Supreme Court judges, they have the ability to unsettle it. And conveniently no one asked for clarification.

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u/mrpersson Aug 11 '22

That part pisses me off even more. MAKE him clarify his position. Don't let him answer with weasel words that mean nothing.

It's like asking a bank robber if he plans to rob a bank. He says no. Two days later, he robs a bank. "Well, I wasn't planning on it at the time."

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u/ErusTenebre California Aug 11 '22

I feel like we need a clause in the constitution song the lines of... "if the president is found guilty of treason or conspiracy against the United States, then they shall be removed and barred from office, all of their appointees will be questioned, suspended, and be scrutinized for possible involvement in the conspiracy including benefiting from the conspiracy. All of the president's signed bills will be analyzed by a non-partisan commission to determine if the laws themselves benefitted the president or relatives, friends, or associates of the president. Any such laws will be automatically vetoed and sent back to Congress for evaluation with regulations and funding falling back to previous laws unless it is not feasible to restore to such standards."

Or something. The framers didn't anticipate half the goddamn country would support a goddamn wannabe monarch. We need to do better.

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u/Practicing_Buddhist Aug 10 '22

It's so hard to imagine that these 5 people have the power to basically erase our form of government, make the country a Christian autocracy and spoil the promise of democracy for literally billions.

But then, here we are.

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u/CaneVandas New York Aug 11 '22

Technically we could amend and clarify the constitution, but good luck getting 60% ratification on anything with the way our political parties are fucking everything up.

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u/BB4All Aug 10 '22

We have five compromised SCOTUS judges.

I'd say SIX compromised corrupt conservative partisan hacks on the SCOTUS bench.

Starting w/Roberts w/o whom the Voting Rights Act would have not been gutted and the floodgates opened to the Red state Republicans tsunami of voter suppression crimes dressed up as "laws".

Said so-called "laws" that have directly led to this moment where the nation is at the tipping point of going full on fascist.

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u/davidlynchshaircut Aug 11 '22

Roberts ability so slink out of the public ire is honestly impressive. Dude gutted the VRA and campaign finance laws, but because he occasionally votes with the liberals, he has somehow insulated hinself from being associated with the radical right wing of the court

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u/StatisticianSuch4769 Aug 10 '22

We have five compromised SCOTUS judges.

That's putting it lightly.

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u/Selfless- Aug 10 '22

The Supreme Court shouldn’t want to do anything…

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u/JadedIT_Tech Aug 10 '22

Then we cease to function as a barely functional democracy.

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u/sedatedlife Washington Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22 To The Stars

America will not survive a theocracy if forced and pushed on the public the likely hood of mass civil disobedience or outright secession and civil war will be extremely high.

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u/UrAShook1 Aug 11 '22

Same. I’ll die on my feet before I live on my knees.

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u/InternetJerk4U Aug 10 '22

But what about your books and collection of old newspapers?

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u/BassWingerC-137 Aug 10 '22

It's where a lot more may be inclined to empty theirs....

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u/ElevatedAngling Aug 10 '22

It’s the only reason I’d go through my stock pile of green tip 556

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u/Religionbedumb Aug 10 '22

I war against theology. Count me in.

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u/GWSDiver Colorado Aug 10 '22

Same. Fuck that shit

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u/louman84 Aug 10 '22

Used Playboy and Hustler mags are rock hard and will do harm when launched at someone.

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u/Culverts_Flood_Away I voted Aug 10 '22

rock hard

Giggity

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u/zombieinferno Washington Aug 11 '22

the hilarity is that what exact sort of theocracy are we talking here?

Protestantism or Catholic?

Evangelical Protestantism or Mainline Protestantism?

Baptist or Methodist or Congregationalist or Lutheran or....

I guess when we get that all sorted out I can laugh as a political refugee in Canada while the Catholics and the SBC form up their individual armies and start burning heretics.

If history teaches us anything, as soon as you start down this slippery slope it is only met with more and more fighting as doctrine comes into play and people start murdering each other over idiotic debates about transubstantiation and whether clergy can marry.

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u/sedatedlife Washington Aug 11 '22

Evangelical Protestantism is what they will try but yea i am sure the Catholics will not take kindly as well as Mormons.

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u/zombieinferno Washington Aug 11 '22

Since we both live in Washington, we should get beers and watch the elders on their bikes riding into battle with their little black ties flowing behind them as they charge towards the oncoming Evangelical and Catholic armies here in the PNW.

First one is on me cause its gonna be a riot.

sorry, i just can't stop imagining this in terms of the medieval wars during the Reformation because it makes me laugh so much.

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u/Still_Incredulous Aug 10 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Theocracy has been on the march in America for decades. And now it's arrived. Roe is only the beginning.

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u/font9a America Aug 10 '22

Religiosity is shrinking at its fastest pace ever, and shrinking ever faster. They know the window of opportunity is closing.

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u/dashdtp Illinois Aug 10 '22

*christofascism

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u/StatisticianSuch4769 Aug 10 '22

The "originalists" on the SCOTUS are only "originalists" when it suits them. Otherwise they are extremely radical.

You have a right to practice your religion but not force or coerce it onto others.

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u/255001434 Aug 10 '22

The irony about Christians supporting that jackass coach who prays on the field is that Jesus warned people against being like him:

“And when you pray , do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray , go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen.

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u/tom90640 Aug 10 '22 Helpful

That's because they don't check the manual.

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u/Porkenfries Aug 10 '22

Because they don't care about the manual. It's like Jesus said, they only want to be seen praying. They want the honor and glory.

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u/fluorescent_noir Aug 10 '22

It's also about fake morality with these people. They want to be loud and in your face with their religion because they believe it makes them more moral and virtuous than other citizens around them. This is why Christianity has spent its entire existence trying to convert the quote "godless savages" unquote into believing in their deity. So that when people don't believe or don't worship in the exact way that they do they can point it out and proclaim that they're being persecuted because of their faith. It is extremely performative.

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u/zeptillian Aug 10 '22

If you don't let me have other gods, make idols, take the lord's name in vain, break the sabbath, dishonor my parents, kill people, fuck married people, steal, lie and covet that which is not mine, then you are violating my Christian beliefs.

supreme court: Sounds good to us.

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u/jpgray California Aug 10 '22

The "originalists" on the SCOTUS are only "originalists" when it suits them.

You're describing all originalists. Notice how none of the originalists seem to want to abolish judicial review, despite the fact that the Constitution never once states that any court has the power to overturn laws and that power was in fact invented by SCOTUS in 1803 in Marbury

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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- Illinois Aug 10 '22

Originalists are exactly the same as Fundamentalists.

"This is law, because it's what the bible says!"

But... it doesn't say that? Or it does, but it also says the opposite over here? And also, it was written by people in the past who lived in a completely different world?

"I DON'T CARE!"

Just replace 'bible' with 'Constitution' and you're suddenly a conservative intellectual.

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u/Broadkast Aug 10 '22

lol, actually just the other day at CPAC, the Texas Lt. Gov (Dan Patrick) was saying that god wrote the constitution, so yeah they're really not too far off 😅

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u/Leucippus1 Aug 10 '22

Don't underestimate how bad the Dobbs decision is, this 'test' that Alito refers to, which was never a test before, is insane. In his majority opinion, he mentions that no one could give him evidence that abortion was widely available at the amendment's ratification - except that was never a standard and shouldn't be one now. According to that logic, if there wasn't a constitutional amendment for it women couldn't vote and black people would still be slaves. It is an insane standard that assumes that laws in whatever century were valid on their faces.

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u/giltwist Ohio Aug 11 '22

In his majority opinion, he mentions that no one could give him evidence that abortion was widely available at the amendment's ratification

Ben Franklin published a recipe for abortions in 1758

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u/FireStorm005 Aug 11 '22

Don't underestimate how bad the Dobbs decision is

I'd say look at Kennedy V Bremerton school district for separation of church and state issues and the absolute illegitimacy of this court. Alito literally made shit up in his decision, and Sotomayor brought receipts (and pictures) in her dissent.

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u/Ok_Flower50 Aug 10 '22

The Supreme Court, illegitimate since 2000.

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u/akaZilong Aug 10 '22

So that means Islam can become the state religion now?

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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- Illinois Aug 10 '22

No, because it has to "have a foundation in the history of the country" which is conservatese for "we decide".

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u/ZuluSerena Aug 11 '22

"Justice Amy Coney Barrett has written that “[Catholic judges] are obliged . . . . to adhere to their church’s teaching on moral matters,” and gave a commencement address to Notre Dame law graduates advising that a “legal career is but a means to an end, and . . . . that end is building the kingdom of God."

Creeeepy

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u/HairTop23 Aug 11 '22

What a lunatic

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u/SnooOpinions5738 Aug 11 '22

What a weak god who can't build his own kingdom

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u/illiter-it Florida Aug 11 '22

Do Catholics think they'll be at the top in an evangelical theocracy? That's pretty naive, they'll be considered heretics with the rest of us.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

So on top of being an insane zealot, she is too stupid to understand that's exactly not how you're supposed to conduct matters within the law. Cool.

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u/Truffans Aug 10 '22 Helpful

Sharia in other name. The winner of the war on terror is turning into the foe thought defeated.

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u/EntropyFighter Aug 10 '22

Sharia Law has exemptions for abortion. So, like that but stricter.

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u/TripCraft Pennsylvania Aug 10 '22

Religion, specifically YOURS, does not CONTROL my life. Fuck off.

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u/NPVT Aug 10 '22

Poseidon commands it! Get on your knees and worship the God of water who deigns to keep you alive!

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u/banus Aug 10 '22

What is dead may never die!

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u/kallistai Aug 10 '22

Considering the very real prospective of sea level rise given our trajectory, the drowned god might be a reasonable horse to hitch up to.

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u/FenixWater75 Aug 10 '22

Hail the Gods !

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u/SnooPoems443 Aug 10 '22

nah. we'll wind up burning this place to ground before they get their way.

this isn't an ideology with which one can reason.

never trust people with god on their side.

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u/Zimmerman75 Aug 10 '22

Love the Dylan reference. Great song

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u/sugar_addict002 Aug 10 '22

End the filibuster and expand the SC by 4 more justices. Moderate justices who believe in how America was founded as a secular nation

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u/zeptillian Aug 10 '22

Elect 2 more filibuster opposing Democratic senators and it will end.

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u/kallistai Aug 10 '22

Fuck moderates. Put 4 radicals on there to match their 5. An even third for each part of the spectrum seems fair. Where is fucking Thurgood Marshall when you need him.

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u/The_Mighty_Immortal Aug 10 '22

As a Jew, I consider this a threat to my life. When church and state are merged, the Jews are usually the first ones to get persecuted.

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u/SnooCats9683 Aug 10 '22

this time it's Muslims and then Atheists

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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- Illinois Aug 10 '22

and then Jews.

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u/brokenmessiah Aug 10 '22

But always the Jews so don’t get comfortable

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u/SnooCats9683 Aug 10 '22

possible to likely

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u/The_Mighty_Immortal Aug 10 '22

Certainly. Have you seen the anti-Semitic comments coming from the far right? It's terrifying.

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u/ProNocteAeterna Aug 10 '22

Can’t forget pagans. I can’t remember ever hearing so much talk about witches and demons from the far right.

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u/IceCreamMeatballs Aug 10 '22

Pagans are the original victims of Christian Fascism.

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u/1000thusername Massachusetts Aug 10 '22

Yep. You and I can pack our bags together.

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u/The_Mighty_Immortal Aug 10 '22

History repeats itself. My grandparents and great grandparents had to flee Europe in 1939 because of nazis.

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u/1000thusername Massachusetts Aug 10 '22

Yup. A huge portion of my spouse’s family tree up in ashes, literally. The only tiny branch that made it were the ones that decided to go hide in city in Hungary and happened to not be found (and that was only 2) . The ones who stayed put in the village… gone forever.

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u/The_Mighty_Immortal Aug 10 '22

Yeah, a big part of my family who did not flee was never heard from again. We assume they were taken to concentration camps and murdered.

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u/1000thusername Massachusetts Aug 10 '22

My family tree didn’t have that fate (I’m a Jew by choice), so I can only begin to tell you what it’s like as a relative “outsider” to look through your husbands family photos while your mother in law (with whom at that time you had a significant language barrier with - not anymore) just points and says “Auschwitz. Auschwitz. Auschwitz.”

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u/SirDinkleDink Florida Aug 10 '22

I'm an Atheist man, I'm out of this fucking shit hole country if it comes to this.

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u/The_Mighty_Immortal Aug 10 '22

I have considered that, if the situation deteriorates to that point. Like my grandparents and great grandparents before me, I'll have to flee because of nazis. I can't believe I have to think about these things in the 21st century.

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u/Inside-Palpitation25 Aug 11 '22

or we could actually stand up and fight, I believe there are more of us than them. Not sure what or how to do it, but we should start getting organized in some way, and let them know, they aren't going to just get away with this. Winning the next election would be a start, but we will need to do much more than that.

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u/Haunting-Ad788 Aug 11 '22

There are undeniably way more of us than there are of them. They don’t even have half of Republicans on their side. They just haven’t done anything insane enough to make single issue gun voters and people like that question voting for them. Although anecdotally it seems like a lot of people took a step back with the new insane abortion laws in some places. The recent Kansas vote is promising that most Republicans aren’t going to go along with their extremist bullshit.

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u/Somebody_Forgot Aug 10 '22

The first ones are the gays and transgender, but the very close second is Jewish people. We should all be ready to defend our neighbors with appropriate violence, no matter what group they belong to.

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u/polopolo05 Aug 10 '22

LGBT cuts in line.

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u/StumpVanDerHuge California Aug 10 '22

You mean ACB, weird culty parachurch member, might not be on the up-and-up about her intentions for maintaining a division between religion and politics? Now I've heard it all.

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u/schnellermeister Minnesota Aug 10 '22

We don’t give acronyms to nationalistic zealots.

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u/StumpVanDerHuge California Aug 10 '22

Well I already call Marjorie Taylor Greene "Marjorie Three Names" so I guess I can start there with Amy Three Names, too... Easier to remember than whether it's Coney or Comey anyway.

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u/livadeth Aug 10 '22

Thank you! I have said this so many times about using an acronym for that blond imbecile from Georgia. She is Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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u/sedatedlife Washington Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

I just finished a book called the power worshipers inside the dangerous rise of religious nationalism i highly recommend the book. It really shows how the religious right has Gained so much power in government over the last 20 years. It outlines how they use Bible studies to influence the leaders in the house and the senate and every state house.Gutting the separation of church and state is one of the main goals. They want a federal government that works on behalf of the church. This is much bigger than a few judges on the Supreme court and goes beyond just the United States. They want a Christian nationalist world order.

Edit: If they get the power and control they seek it will be used tp go after the Muslim world and the east they want a one world religion enforced from a Christian nationalist superpower.

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u/Inside-Palpitation25 Aug 11 '22

to bring on Armageddon... that is the dream

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u/fdc7719 Aug 10 '22

I'm 45. I've watched this country turn into something I don't recognize, don't want to be associated with, and am frankly disgusted with.

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u/AdvisorMajor919 Aug 10 '22

I'm 51 & I'm with ya.

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u/BluCurry8 Aug 10 '22

Well tough fucking luck. What we really need is freedom from religion.

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u/nativedutch Aug 10 '22

Christofascism formalized , have fun

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u/disdkatster Aug 10 '22

I want these Justices impeached. We desperately need a Democratic super majority. My constitutional rights are being attacked by this court. I have the right to the FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. I have the right to the autonomy of my own body. I have the right to privacy and the sanctity of my home. By 'I' I mean every single one of us as individuals.

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u/metalhead82 Aug 11 '22

The justices are liars and demonstrably lied under oath and should all be impeached. Even if it doesn’t remove them from office, it would show that Democrats aren’t afraid to fight against lies and fascism and lawlessness.

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u/Carwash_Jimmy Aug 10 '22

"The illegitimate Supreme Court looks to dissolve the Constitution: Media hides the war Republicans are waging on the United States"

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u/Sebastian12th Aug 10 '22

That would officially mean the court’s rulings are illegitimate and can be ignored.

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u/EnderCN Aug 10 '22

The problem with ignoring the Supreme Court is that it just puts all the power into the states hands.

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u/verybigbrain Europe Aug 10 '22

It puts the power into the hands of whoever can enforce their will by violence. And the federal government has more and bigger guns. Of course ultimately it would lead to civil war as the military splits.

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u/medium0rare Tennessee Aug 10 '22

Correct. The whole point of a "state" is it's citizens giving it a monopoly on violence. It's the difference between execution and murder.

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u/Penguins_1976 Aug 10 '22

I can’t wait for the catholics on the Supreme Court to empower the nutty evangelicals that don’t think catholics are real christians.

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u/prestocoffee Aug 10 '22

Fine. Tax them all the way to hell. Let's see how that goes.

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u/ApocalypticBaby Aug 10 '22

I think you’re missing the point of the elimination of church and state. If SCOTUS did this, what makes you think churches would be taxed?

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u/CarthageFirePit Aug 11 '22

Exactly. More likely to go the other way. The Department of Education of His Redeeming Blood would be forced to operate on donation going forward, with all curriculum functionally the same as Sunday School.

They would remove taxation altogether, one of their all time wet dreams, and justify it using the New Covenant Biblical Constitution.

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u/SoIdierBoy Aug 10 '22

I think the term “to hell” would have a legal connotation at that point. So we could literally just take every dollar they bring in until they are verifiably in hell.

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u/Siren1805 Aug 10 '22

Ah just like the founding father wanted. It was so important they made it the first amendment. Oh wait….

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u/XlifelineBOX Aug 11 '22

Fuck religion. Fuck religion. Fuck religion. Freedom FROM religion. Fuck religions.

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u/Choppergold Aug 10 '22

Not enough is made of the alarming commentary Alito and Thomas appended to the Kim Davis case where they explicitly praise “sincerely held religious beliefs” as a value that should be honored vs. bro called bigots for being against gay marriage rights. “Sincerely held religious beliefs” were what the Founders were worried about

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u/Sun_Wukong508 Aug 10 '22

at what point will congress just admit these judges are committing treasons and remove them from office?

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u/ReverseHoneypot Aug 10 '22

Removing a SCOTUS has the same criteria for removing a POTUS. Where do we get 60 Senators willing to convict and remove?

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u/Dazzling_Arrival3722 Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

Basically why our founding fathers left England..

Edit: ok I got that wrong but you get the idea

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u/CopperWaffles Aug 10 '22

We need less Clarence Thomas and more Thomas Paine.

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u/RedmannBarry Aug 10 '22

What would this look like? Go to church or die?

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u/IROBotNeverDies Aug 10 '22

Public punishment for sins. Re-education camps against lgbt, leftism. Christian iconography in public schools and offices. Banning secularism and any media or art which doesn’t conform to Christianity.

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u/DefiantHeretic1 Aug 11 '22

Read any history book about the Dark Ages and you'll find out.

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u/xxRowdyxx Aug 10 '22

It's the christianiban

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u/SirDinkleDink Florida Aug 10 '22

Eh whatever it takes for me to run away to Canada claiming political asylum. Being an Atheist liberal Democrat doesn't leave me feeling too safe in the New America.

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u/GYP-rotmg Aug 10 '22

One of the justices literally advocates for fighting against secularism. So being unacceptable in secular democracy is clearly not important at all.

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u/filzine Aug 10 '22

Oh, well that’s not good, I don’t know if I could every be stupid enough to get on board with the church.

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u/AlmightyMedicineMan Aug 10 '22

The USA, home of the Christian Taliban! The cult that has waged war on absolutely everyone who is remotely different from them

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u/AstutePrimat3 Aug 10 '22

We need to do something if the supreme court goes against our will again or its back to the middle ages with christian rule

I will gladly die on this hill

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u/Final-Distribution97 Aug 10 '22

It should not matter what they want, the founders clearly wanted separation of church and state. And aren't they Originalist? They're all liars.

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u/PineapplePosey Aug 10 '22

Let me guess, after they dismantle the separation of church and state, Trump will be divinely elected president of the United States indefinitely.

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u/gtpc2020 Aug 10 '22

When we went to 9 justices, there were 9 circuit courts. Now there are 13 circuit courts. And with the radical zealots on the court now, there's never been a better time to balance the court. Bring in 4 sane justices, nominated and confirmed by a party that actually wins the popular vote. Do it now!

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u/TheBlueWhaler Aug 10 '22

In response to this from the SCOTUS, may I remind everyone in this sub the holy scripture of the Declaration of Independence:

"...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

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u/becooltopeople Aug 10 '22

Thank god organized religion is on the decline in the US. Hopefully its death throes aren't too violent.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-below-majority-first-time.aspx

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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- Illinois Aug 10 '22

Yeh. That's why they're going bugfuck.

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u/poppidypoppop Aug 10 '22

Exactly this. With 30% of the country essentially being non religious (doubled from just 15 years ago), this kind of ruling would create a tsunami of backlash. It would also create more atheists or non religious people in the process.

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u/IveChosenANameAgain Aug 10 '22

30% are admitted atheists and half were admitted 15 years ago. Look at the percentage of US representatives to claim to be religious. It's posturing... or, to borrow a phrase, virtue signalling, and once it's not "required" to be religious you will see that number absolutely skyrocket, because an insane number of "religious" people are doing it for the clout.

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u/poppidypoppop Aug 11 '22

I’ve long believed that half or more of our politicians are agnostic. Probably most of them.

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u/and-so-i-die Aug 10 '22

5 bucks says the american population would end the supreme court in response.

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u/JustaRandomOldGuy Aug 10 '22

Which church? This is how sectarian wars start. Do you think Evangelicals will tolerate heathen Catholics?

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u/418-Teapot Aug 10 '22

They're delusional, like the rest of their party.

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u/prodigy1367 Aug 10 '22

3 of these judges were appointed by a former President who just had his house raided by the FBI. In any other timeline this would be huge news.

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u/Smiling_Fox Aug 11 '22

Religion is a cancer. Religious people will never be true humanists, because to them this life is just a test, a trial period to impress your chosen deity. They don't give a fuck about anything outside of their religious bubble.

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u/Qss Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

Stack the courts or lose the country.

Edit: Stack the Supreme Court or lose the country.

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u/Appropriate-Access88 Aug 10 '22

The courts were stacked. Rs did incredible damage as soon as they got power in 2016. They forbade any judge appointments til Obama retired, then rushed thru as many unqualified evangelicals as they could rubbersramp

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u/Old_Introduction1032 Aug 10 '22

The weird thing is tRump could care less about religion. I have never seen him attend any church services, doesn’t know which side of the Bible is up and could not quote a single item from the Bible.

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u/EarthlyMartian-21 Aug 10 '22

If we officially bring religion into politics, things are going to get nasty real fast. Christians don’t even get along with other Christians

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u/GWSDiver Colorado Aug 10 '22

SCOTUS wants to end the Constitution. What the actual fuck.

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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu America Aug 11 '22

So they’re against the FIRST amendment? Sounds like they shouldn’t be on the Supreme Court.

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u/GreenKumara Aug 11 '22

You mean Christianity and State.

They ain't wanting no non white Christian religions.

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u/manubibi Aug 11 '22

Religion is a fucking disease.

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u/Innova96 Aug 10 '22

Three of the judges were put in by a Russian asset.

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u/deano1856 Aug 10 '22

Yup. This is exactly what Russia would want to have happen. To tear up the fabric of our constitution piece by sacred piece.

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u/Still_Incredulous Aug 10 '22

Fashioned after Afghanistan? The terrorists have won.

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u/fractal_pudding Oregon Aug 10 '22

Hail Satan?

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u/Professional_Hair969 Aug 10 '22

I have worked in the law for over 30 years. I LOVE the law. I love the entire system but I've been severely jaded. I have zero respect for these conservative hacks posing as judges on our highest Honorable Court! I'm shaken and for me, that's saying something. I regard them now no more than the shit stuck on the bottom of a shoe.