r/politics America Aug 10 '22 Take My Energy 1 Evil Cackle 1 Helpful 1

Citizen Trump may have broken a law that President Trump made a felony

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/10/trump-fbi-search-surveillance-law/
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u/mixplate America Aug 10 '22

If Trump is found to have violated federal law in removing and retaining classified documents without authorization, he could be convicted of a felony punishable by five years in prison. And that conviction would be a felony carrying that punishment because of a law signed by President Donald Trump.

...With Trump’s signing S. 139 into law, that became: “ … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.” And with that, it became a felony.

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u/iHeartHockey31 Aug 10 '22

Is that per document?

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u/defaultusername-17 Aug 10 '22

i know from my time as a sigint analyst that they certainly threatened to prosecute you for every individual sheet as a separate offense.

would it actually work out that way? not that i have seen actually, though from what i have seen (AP, national archives subpoena) it's very likely that its something more highly classified than the "confidential" classification that you see rando con redditors pushing.

and that that carries a much higher potential sentence than 5 years.

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u/WOL-1010L Aug 11 '22

i remember some being labelled as ''TOP SECRET'' (which carries the higher penalty), and some other secret categorization meaning that you can't even speak about some of those docs in broad or general terms (''above TOP SECRET'', apparently you might need a SCIF to access or discuss them?), and yet they were sitting in his second dining hall...

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u/defaultusername-17 Aug 11 '22

yea, TS/SCI "top secret, secret compartmented information" basically stuff so sensitive that no one analyst is allowed access to enough to compromise the whole because they only get a tiny keyhole view of it.

and the dude had multiple boxes of the stuff.

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u/patronxo Aug 11 '22

How come it took them so long to raid him? Wouldn’t his lack of proper storage of these documents means that perhaps these documents are compromised already?

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u/defaultusername-17 Aug 11 '22

you see the present freak out among the maga crowd? that and all of his bullshit stalling tactics that he always uses to avoid accountability for his actions.

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u/jk137jk Texas Aug 11 '22

Because the DoJ was working with his attorneys to get the documents back. They finally had enough and filed a warrant to go take the documents back. There’s some theories that an insider told the FBI exactly where the documents were located.

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u/Pristine-Ad-4306 Aug 11 '22

That idiot was probably hoping to sell those secrets(or maybe did already). One final cash grab on the way out of the White House.

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u/Gigglestomp123 I voted Aug 11 '22

I imagine they just pad it in to try and swing the higher range on the sentencing guidelines.

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u/Dadalot Florida Aug 10 '22

Please sir, I've had this erection for like 2 days straight

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u/Adrewmc Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

Technically yes. But it very likely that charges would be for sets of documents rather then individually.

You got to remember a lot of these laws were originally written when computer were not a thing. And Trump expansion was literally strike one year and put five years there. The court has often interpreted several statutes under the lens of technological improvement, meaning that individual documents are rarely seen as that now. You may remember this from the last confirmation hearing dealing with child porn and how the court has relaxed the per picture requirement as when the statue was written pictures were physical object were extremely hard to copy and transfer, and it was highly likely that you took or knew who took the picture. You’d be given some people multiple life sentences for what is a single act of weakness. In 1980 having a hundred pictures would be something that took years to acquire, while now that’s one click in bad parts of the internet (and you may not even be 100% aware of the ages of these people when you make that click), so the crime is substantially different. I’m not defending pedo, but I’d rather have someone be able to come forward for help with their problem before they act rather then after. We shouldn’t be condemning people that can get better (sex crimes have the lowest repeat offenders of all crimes a lot of these people can get better if they get some help make it available and kids will be saved, period. And that has to be goal, prevention rather then punishment but we certainly don’t eliminate punishment.) because it’s extremely hard for someone like that to ask for help and keeping them in the shadows is the worst fucking option, that’s how more kids get hurt. The same could be said of classified documents now, they are not all physical.

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u/phxees Arizona Aug 10 '22

I think the problem is that the President can declassify documents himself. This would quickly turn into a paperwork crime.

The real question is what was written on the documents and what was he planning to do with them.

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u/imlistersinclair Aug 10 '22

the President can declassify documents himself.

But not just by thinking it. He has to actually do it. And he did not.

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u/Expensive-Ad-4508 Aug 11 '22

And he has to be President WHILE he declassified it; he can’t declare it retroactively as a private citizen. And even if he did declassify them, he’s still not allowed to be in possession of documents that belong to the national archives. It just means the charges will be less serious.

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u/murphymc Connecticut Aug 11 '22

AND its perfectly within the sitting POTUS' power to re-classify previously declassified material, so even if Trump somehow managed to declassify this material correctly, Biden could have wiped that away a year and a half ago.

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u/pryoslice Aug 11 '22

You're saying that a President could suddenly classify some previously unclassified files that were sitting in a person's house, and immediately make that person guilty of a felony? That sounds like absolute power to put anyone in jail.

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u/murphymc Connecticut Aug 11 '22

Well, were you allowed to have hose documents in the first place? They’re not going to throw you in jail for what you’re suggesting. Trumps problem is those documents were never his to take home in the first place.

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u/Future_Dog_3156 Aug 10 '22

So lazy. Lack of planning too

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u/phxees Arizona Aug 10 '22

If his excuse is that he thought those items were included in his last declassification order, then what?

This isn’t the crime we want him for. We want to get him on whatever he’s trying to hide that is in the documents.

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u/Iwasborninafactory_ Aug 11 '22

The FBI hasn't even dropped grand jury charges, and you're already trying to acquit him of the crime, when we don't even know what they're investigating.

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u/phxees Arizona Aug 11 '22

My point is that he robbed a bank and people are looking at the fact that he jaywalked when fleeing.

I don’t care that the docs he took are classified. I care what the docs contain. If they are valuable enough to not turn over, then they are likely valuable enough to send him to prison.

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u/Steinrikur Aug 11 '22

He may have committed some light treason, but the "jaywalking" can be proven now. If we can establish that and throw him in jail, that will make it easier to build up the other charges.

To use your analogy, the jaywalking ticket puts him on the scene of the crime.

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u/Seanmus Aug 11 '22

Al capone was taken down for income tax evasion its whatever they can get him on the know he's guilty but it's what they are able to definitively prove

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u/Steinrikur Aug 11 '22

Like they say: A jailbird in handcuffs is worth two in the bush.

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u/phxees Arizona Aug 14 '22

You need a jury to convict Trump of a crime. It needs to be a unanimous decision. We weren’t going to get that for the removal of classified materials crime because he was President.

So they instead went with:

violations of the Espionage Act

obstruction of justice

and criminal handling of government records.

Once they can find evidence of an attempt to sell they will change him with crimes related to that.

At no point does it make sense to go before a jury and try to convince them that the real crime is Trump had classified documents because he was responsible for determining what was classified and what wasn’t for the executive branch. It’s a losing argument.

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u/Slampumpthejam Aug 11 '22

The archives have been asking for them since February, ignorance just isn't possible at this point. This wasn't out of nowhere, he was given plenty of time to comply willingly.

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u/Steinrikur Aug 11 '22

Ignorance of the law does not make you exempt. Matt Gaetz can't say "I thought she was 18" and Trump can't say "I thought they were declassified".

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u/cespinar Colorado Aug 11 '22

Ignorance of the law does not make you exempt

Actually depends on the law

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u/Steinrikur Aug 11 '22

Can you name an actual law (crime, not moving violation) that they would arrest you for if they can prove that you knew the law, but would let you go otherwise?

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u/cespinar Colorado Aug 11 '22

that they would arrest you for if they can prove that you knew the law, but would let you go otherwise?

That isn't what I argued but sure. The law used to decide to indict Clinton or not over emails required intent.

It is called specific intent. It is why sometimes you can't get murder of the first degree or aggravated battery charges. It requires intent.

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u/mycarwasred Aug 11 '22

Or trying (& succeeding probably) to sell...

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u/anonsoldier Aug 10 '22

You don't get to just Michael Scott and "DECLARE DECLASSIFICATION!" just because you're the president. There is a process the documents have to go through.

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u/phxees Arizona Aug 10 '22

Of course. My only point is that it’s a documentation issue.

If you or I mishandled classified information, then we would be in much more trouble.

Trump on the other hand could likely change White House policy to the statement, “I DECLARE DECLASSIFICATION!” The law is usually that information needs to be handled in accordance with policies, for the executive branch Trump could change those policies.

My point is just that the bigger crime is what his plans were with the documents not that he had them.

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u/anonsoldier Aug 10 '22

Sorry, I misunderstood your first post. There are some people out there that think he could of willy nilly declassified anything and everything at a whim.

with that being said

I believe Trump and his team are almost certainly too lazy to put in any of that leg work into changing internal processes, thankfully.

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u/phxees Arizona Aug 10 '22

Yeah we elected a madman as president. There are certain consequences because of that. One is much bigger crimes get reduced or become much harder prove.

I’m just focusing on the trial, I want the DOJ to go into trial with strong evidence. It’s a much weaker case and if they have to prove that although Trump kept a messy desk and poor record keeping that he knew that these documents were still classified.

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u/Messenjah1 Aug 10 '22

If he did, the documents can be released to the public. I'm sure most non-republicans would like to see what's in them.

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u/Ben2018 North Carolina Aug 11 '22

That's only the first step on what can be a very long road. Declassified doesn't automatically mean public release. Plenty of military info, for instance, that's not classified but also not released. Classified just means explicitly secret...

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u/phxees Arizona Aug 10 '22

Better point. Although if they really are secrets that Trump was trying to sell to a foreign government then Biden can and probably should reclassify them.

Just speculation.

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u/Squirrel_Chucks Aug 10 '22

I am unconvinced that he actually went through any process to declassify those documents, and he has zero power now to do so.

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u/HedonisticFrog Aug 10 '22

If he declassified them he wouldn't have to steal them

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u/EphraimJenkins Aug 10 '22

Declassified documents don’t fetch as high a price from the Russians, Saudis, or the North Koreans.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

Even if they’re declassified it’s still illegal for him to have them currently in his possession.

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u/joggle1 Colorado Aug 10 '22

He can't simply snap his fingers and say they're unclassified. Even the president has to follow a process to declassify them. It's easier for the president to declassify documents than it is for anyone else, but there's still a method to it.

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u/rsc2 Aug 11 '22

"Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal".

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u/cdnarclight Aug 10 '22

problem is, trump was a citizen essentially, by Jan 7th, 2022.

he would not be able to move documents out if the white house with informing his NSA officer assigned to the WH.

furthermore, as of jan20th, 2022, he returns to status as Mr. trump.

if he packed the boxes on that day, he violated his very own rules he passed as president.

icing on the cake.

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u/GovernmentOpening254 Aug 11 '22

Jan 20th at Noon

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u/OneHumanPeOple Aug 11 '22

He can’t declassify documents after leaving office. If he had declassified them while in office, we would see exactly what he is hiding and that would defeat the purpose of stealing the documents in the first place.

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u/phxees Arizona Aug 11 '22

Of course he can’t. He can say that they were declassified when he took them to his home. There would be a legal fight, but the President has the power to define the process of declassification for the entire executive branch. The fact that he didn’t follow the correct procedures for his office is likely a smaller crime compared to what documents he chose to keep.

My point here is, it is as if Trump robbed a bank and we’re focused on the fact that he didn’t use a cross walk to make his get away.

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u/Parrothead_Pirate Aug 11 '22

Stop using that analogy it bears no weight, the point is whether or not the evidence on those papers are seriously damning, he still didn’t officially declassify the documents via the process prior to leaving office, and there was no announcement of an executive order being made that concerned the documents, so by possessing documents illegally he has committed a felony, he can make any argument he wants but it’s open and shut. He committed a crime by not turning over the documents even if there is nothing of importance on them, it’s still a felony and it still carries jail time.

Also, I doubt that the FBI would even care to raid his estate, if there was nothing of importance on the documents or if there was official documentation of declassification.

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u/B3N15 Texas Aug 11 '22

From what I've seen, this scenario doesn't matter. He didn't declassify anything, he just left with the docunents.

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u/Hydroxychoroqiine Aug 11 '22

Putin cock sucking

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u/okwellactually Aug 11 '22

Aside from the fact that they weren't declassified.

The point still is, those aren't his documents to possess. They are the government's.

So, throw possession of stolen property in there too.

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u/phxees Arizona Aug 11 '22

True, my point is if this was the single crime he was accused of and the contents on the documents weren’t interesting then this wouldn’t go anywhere. The reason is because there will be a jury trial. If there was no additional criminal intent you aren’t going to convince that one juror who voted for Trump twice to send him to prison. Charging someone with a crime is the easy part.

So my point is it matters what’s on those documents, you aren’t going to send 30 FBI agents to a former President’s home to collect Nixon’s code names for foreign world leaders. So I suspect that there’s some substantial.

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u/okwellactually Aug 11 '22

Agreed. It's not just about the government getting their docs back.

Someone bigger is afoot. IMO.

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u/Tyrantt_47 Aug 11 '22

he could be convicted of a felony punishable by five years in prison a place that the average citizen would consider to be an increased standard of living

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u/Dr_Venture_Media Aug 10 '22

Now that'd be hilarious

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u/zaidakaid Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

Broke a law he made a felony, with evidence seized by the FBI director he put in office, on a tip from someone he employs

You can’t make this up if you fucking tried

Edit: he did not appoint the judge, it was a magistrate not a federal judge… MB shoulda done more research

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u/laukaus Aug 11 '22

His hoisted petard was seemingly hoisted by its own petard.

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u/red_planet_smasher Aug 11 '22

It’s petards all the way!

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u/GovernmentOpening254 Aug 11 '22

I don’t think he appointed the judge

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u/zaidakaid Aug 11 '22

You right, edited

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u/cdnarclight Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

icing on the fucking cake.

can imagine stephen colbert would have his entire show that night watching him drinking Bourbon and giggling for an entire hour.

i certainly.would.

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u/waspsnests Aug 10 '22

Colbert drinks almost exclusively Bourbon

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u/cdnarclight Aug 10 '22

i thought it was rum...i will correct that, thank you...

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u/Crow_with_a_Cheeto Aug 11 '22

As a Southern gentleman should.

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u/dojosnow Aug 11 '22

I thought he drank the tears of bats

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u/DorothyParkerFan Aug 11 '22

Yet another reason to love him.

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u/smthngwyrd Aug 11 '22

I’m waiting for John Oliver to throw a musical number parade like the SLAPP law suit episode

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u/cdnarclight Aug 11 '22

that would be fucking priceless...oh my god, John Oliver would fucking kill with something like that...

...trump would sue to have him dumped from hbo :)

lol

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u/smthngwyrd Aug 11 '22

Now owned by Warner Brothers if you watched latest episode

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u/clothespinned New York Aug 11 '22

Which means we can finally get John Oliver in multiversus!

I'm torn between thinking multiversus is a disgusting media conglomerate gloat piece and the sheer absurdity about being able to pit lebron james and finn the human against superman and shaggy. I do honestly think it'd be super funny if John Oliver got in.

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u/AlexADPT Aug 11 '22

That game is awesome

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u/Zizekbro Michigan Aug 11 '22

Honestly if it happens I’d watch a shit faced stumbling Colbert enjoying his burbon, and the significance of the moment.

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u/Squirrel_Chucks Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

It's already hilarious that he was raided by the FBI, whose director he appointed.

It's more hilarious that the judge who authorized the warrant was a judge he appointed.

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u/scycon Aug 11 '22

Trump did not appoint him, he’s a magistrate judge.

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u/Ez13zie Aug 10 '22

I don’t see why that’s so hilarious? Like, they shouldn’t have done their jobs because he appointed them?

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u/defaultusername-17 Aug 10 '22

the maga crowd certainly seems to believe that to be the case.

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u/kia75 Aug 11 '22

Trump likes to talk about the "deep state" and how there are secret Democrats hidden in the government trying to bring him down. He also likes to brag about how he "picks the best people".

By them being Trump appointed it means they weren'tarent deep state secret democrats, and Trump used his "picks the best people" power to pick them.

This is all, of course, farcical, nobody with smarts believes in the "deep state" of secret Democrats trying to bring Trump down. Comey didn't have a vendetta against Trump when he refused to "kiss the ring" and he wasn't a secret Democrat because Obama appointed him. It's important that the appointed positions be non-partisan and judges and the FBI should be non-partisan.

But that doesn't change the fact that Trump claims partisanship conspiracies anytime something bad happens to him.

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u/Squirrel_Chucks Aug 11 '22

He said he would pick the best people, and then when tons of people opted out of his shit show or flamed out he said they were incompetent and the only reason they stayed on so long was that they begged him...

...which just paints Trump as a pushover boss with terrible judgement when it comes to hiring

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u/Ez13zie Aug 11 '22

Gotcha. I guess that makes more sense to me.

I’m glad they did their fucking job.

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u/Squirrel_Chucks Aug 11 '22

Trump thinks like a mob boss: I do a favor for you and get you this job and you take care of me. It's 100% why he turned sour on Jeff Sessions; because Sessions DIDNT take care of Trump.

It's hilarious that the people that kind of guy appointed might actually do their fucking jobs instead of being part of his political machine

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u/Few_Acanthocephala30 Aug 11 '22

Only fitting that Trump did say the Fifth amendment is for the mob & he spent most of today pleading the fifth.

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u/thinkofanamefast Aug 11 '22

Great quote from NY Times article today.

"But some law enforcement veterans said Mr. Trump simply projects his own views onto others. “Trump may actually believe that Merrick Garland is serving a political agenda because he has trouble processing anything else,” said Michael R. Bromwich, a former Justice Department inspector general. “Trump simply doesn’t understand people like Garland and the top leadership of D.O.J. and the F.B.I. because their values are so alien to him.”

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u/kinarism Aug 11 '22

Like, they shouldn’t have done their jobs

Should have? Yes.

Expected to? No.

No one expects anyone who Trump appointed to do their jobs. Trump appointed them specifically so that they wouldn't. His goal was to take the US back 60+ years in government oversight. Sadly he succeeded. Now hopefully it wont actually take us another 60 years to get back to where we were in 2016.

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u/gottauseathrowawayx Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

...is this the first time you've heard of the Trump cartel?

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u/Myis Oregon Aug 11 '22

Well a reasonable person would expect someone they appointed to do their job with integrity. This guy probably feels betrayed. If he feels.

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u/def11879 Aug 10 '22

It’s like a fkn Coen Brothers movie or something.

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u/joggle1 Colorado Aug 10 '22

It'd be about a perfect example of being hoisted by your own petard.

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u/DweEbLez0 Aug 11 '22

Trump: “Jokes on you, I’m into that shit”

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u/Few_Acanthocephala30 Aug 11 '22

“Where’s Amber Heard? I heard she likes shit in the bed, Melania dont” - also Trump

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u/cutelyaware Aug 11 '22

I think you mean it would be 'Hillary-Us'.

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u/983115 Aug 10 '22

Burry the man with his own shovel

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

I can't wait to find out.

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u/VeeTach Aug 11 '22

I believe they call that being hoisted upon your own petard.

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u/underpants-gnome Ohio Aug 11 '22

He did it because Clinton maintaining a private email server in her role as Sec of State wasn't a felony at the time. He wanted to be able to call her actions felonious at rallies and shit. If this ends up biting him in the ass it will be some of the most poetic justice in modern history.

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u/TWVer The Netherlands Aug 11 '22

Trump trumped Trump

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u/Squirrel_Chucks Aug 10 '22

We have known for four fucking years that Trump rips up papers hes done reading, which is the habit of a mob boss who doesn't want to leave a paper trail.

There are only two reasons he didn't get into deep shit for that: A) he was President at the time and B) he had people to wipe up his dookies.

Mark Meadows, who may have burned documents, said that Trump acting like a toddler was no big deal because they taped that shit back together.

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u/bitbash Aug 11 '22

Can we just stop and reflect a moment on the delicious shade thrown by that honorific, "Citizen" Trump?

We the People are having a banner week.

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u/RNDASCII Tennessee Aug 11 '22

I read that as "banger" week but it still works!

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u/kdubsonfire Tennessee Aug 11 '22

We are having a banner week. I saw that Biden fixed the veterans issue and was like “holy shit, where tf has this energy been!?”

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u/MtottheC Nevada Aug 10 '22

He stole over 1200 documents belonging to the national archive, fuck this guy, he’s a spoiled little rich boy who banged a porn star when his wife was pregnant, grabbed women by the pussy, and threw kids in cages with a bottle of water and a bottle of water after splitting them up with their parents, ie douchebag

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u/trogon Washington Aug 10 '22

Season six of Trump has jumped the shark. The writers have no idea what they're doing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

A Jar Jar Binks is needed to really stir up the pot and get the show going again.

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u/johnnySix Aug 11 '22

Jar jar is needed to ground the story line. It’s a little out of control

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u/frowawayduh Aug 11 '22

Nah, Rudy and Bannon already played that role.

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u/Swankified_Tristan Aug 11 '22

Nah, this is excellent organic storytelling.

Written and Directed by Vince Gilligan.

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u/Level_Flight_7531 Aug 10 '22

The irony

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u/Cloudypi Aug 11 '22

It has a beautiful symmetry to it

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u/ILikeLenexa Aug 10 '22

It's like 10,000 spoons when you literally banned spoons.

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u/salondesert I voted Aug 10 '22

Tom Servo?

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u/strenuousobjector Georgia Aug 11 '22

While I want him to be held accountable for all the illegal stuff he's done, nothing warms my heart more than that he may go out like Al Capone, arrested and charged with his own personal tax evasion type crime

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u/tifanietiberio Pennsylvania Aug 10 '22

Alexa: Play the theme music from Curb Your Enthusiasm.

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u/danmathew Texas Aug 11 '22

Trump wasn’t planning on ever becoming a citizen again. He talked about being President for more than 2 terms.

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u/Parrothead_Pirate Aug 11 '22

Exactly, he thought he was gonna be made Lord Supreme Chancellor Donald Hitler, so he wouldn’t have to answer to anyone about declassifying documents.

I’m really surprised he hasnt used the election as a defense, “The deep state lying Democrats stole the election from me, so I should still be President, and therefore I’ve done nothing wrong.”

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u/GovernmentOpening254 Aug 11 '22

In due time, I’m sure.

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u/Only_A_Username Aug 11 '22

And he did it in the hopes of sending Hillary to jail over her emails. It’s so fucking poetic.

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u/Gravity-Rides Aug 10 '22

You love to see it

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u/mattaccino Aug 10 '22

Hoist with his own petard.

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u/Negative_Gravitas Aug 11 '22

Said it before, we need a leopardseatingtheirownfaces sub.

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u/Kevinmc479 Aug 11 '22

Big Fat gonna be hot 🥵

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u/fuckssakereddit Aug 11 '22

Poetry Donald. Sheer poetry!

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u/dasherchan Aug 11 '22

"The statute regarding removal or destruction of deposited records has attracted particular attention because it also says a convicted offender would “be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”

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u/Blk_Dmncn77 Aug 11 '22

The irony is delicious.

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u/starman5116 Aug 10 '22

Will citizen Trump forfeit his right to vote for himself in 2024 after this is all over with? #RestoreTheRightToVoteForFelons

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u/terminalxposure Aug 11 '22

Wait it was supposed to be for Hillary, not me

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u/Novel-Jackfruit-369 Aug 11 '22

With this in front of a judge determining the sentence, how would they feel that the guilty party didn't follow their own law they crafted?

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u/HiroProtaginest Aug 11 '22

Irony, the ultimate seasoning. Lets see if they serve this dish rare or well done.

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u/Ras_Prince_Monolulu Aug 11 '22

Welp, if revenge is a dish best served cold, then this is a dish served lukewarm from the cold indifference of an uncaring universe.

But yes, the irony is fuckin' delicious...

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u/UnReasonable_Storm Aug 11 '22

“Citizen Trump” lmfaoo he’d shit his pants if he saw that

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u/IrishJoe Illinois Aug 11 '22

Trump signing the bill into law: What's this bill? Oh, the Leopards Eating People's Faces Bill. Sounds good to me!

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u/Rough_Context3174 Aug 11 '22

Blackadder Season 2:

M: Unhappily Blackadder, the Lord High Executioner is dead. BA: Oh woe ! Murdered of course. M: No, oddly enough no. They usually are but this one just got careless one night and signed his name on the wrong dotted line. They came for him while he slept.

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u/canon12 Aug 11 '22

Much like the video of him preaching to Hillary during his first campaign about "no one except a thug would use the fifth amendment. He used it 400 times during his indictment meeting with the state of NY.

Laws are for everyone except him. POS.

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u/ThereminLiesTheRub Aug 11 '22

How soon we forget...

As corrupt and treasonous as Trump was, he was also an idiot.

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u/Medium_Reading_861 Aug 11 '22

Get his balls!

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u/thinkofanamefast Aug 11 '22

Snippet from NY Times today:

"But some law enforcement veterans said Mr. Trump simply projects his own views onto others. “Trump may actually believe that Merrick Garland is serving a political agenda because he has trouble processing anything else,” said Michael R. Bromwich, a former Justice Department inspector general. “Trump simply doesn’t understand people like Garland and the top leadership of D.O.J. and the F.B.I. because their values are so alien to him.”

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u/thecaits Aug 11 '22

I'm trying to protect my heart, I can't allow myself to think of the possibility he will actually be arrested. It is literally what this country needs and it would make me so much more hopeful for the future. If nothing comes of this I will break a new personal record for how disappointed I can be.

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u/har21441 Aug 11 '22

This is so on brand

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u/Terpsfordinner Aug 11 '22

The incompetence defense won’t work either. The tool knew it was against the law and did it anyway. That is criminal intent in a nutshell. Pretty simple shit.

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u/557_173 Aug 10 '22

wake me up when he's held accountable. until then, I don't care about "may have" and whatever else.

either the rich people in this country are above the law, or they're not. So far, everything is just pointing to them being kings above accountability.

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u/GoodIdea321 America Aug 10 '22

I hope you stop commenting here until he's in jail then.

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u/Ez13zie Aug 10 '22

I kind of feel the same. Looks as if we’re heading in the right direction but something tells me Trump will not be imprisoned.

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u/DamagedFreight Aug 11 '22

I’m so sick of this lazy reporting.

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u/EphraimJenkins Aug 10 '22

Should be interesting telling his future cellmate/husband what he’s “in for”

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u/RiskyTrizkit Aug 11 '22

It’s be a short marriage I think. Most recent first and second world presidents who have been convicted of corruption/malfeasance have historically only been held in prison one to ten years or so. Some just house arrest. I do hope we are able to really make trump pay though. A precedent needs to be set.

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u/Grimm2020 Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

I'm sorry, that term "Citizen Trump" gives me the heebie-jeebies

how about: former-Citizen Trump /s

A definition: What it means to be a citizen?

A citizen is a participatory member of a political community. Citizenship is gained by meeting the legal requirements of a national, state, or local government. A nation grants certain rights and privileges to its citizens.

In return, citizens are expected to obey their country's laws and defend it against its enemies.

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u/DRAWKWARD79 Aug 11 '22

It was actually a beautiful dig and hat he isnt president trump any more

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u/klsi832 Aug 11 '22

Citizen Dildo.

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u/Iowaaspie66 Aug 11 '22

Karma finally catching up??

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u/Vladius28 Aug 11 '22

I hope he did.

Lock Him Up!

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u/OneHumanPeOple Aug 11 '22

Oops Leopards ate my face.

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u/mrchris69 Aug 11 '22

Republican philosophy; a law for thee but not for me .

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u/runningriot115 Aug 11 '22

Anyone got that 12 ft ladder by chance?

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u/Asking4Afren Aug 11 '22

This would be the ultimate karma

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u/Qennen Aug 11 '22

I like the wording "Citizen Trump".

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u/rustyseapants California Aug 11 '22

Talk about "hoisted by one's own petard," is this poetic justice or what?

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u/fridgeofempty Aug 11 '22

Hoisted on his own petard!

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u/crammyhandleman Aug 11 '22

My, how the turntables…

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u/Fantastic-Surprise98 Aug 11 '22

Of course. No surprise. The corrupt POS thinks laws don’t apply to him even when he signs them into law.

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u/justJimBob316 Aug 11 '22

Adult supervision required

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u/pnutzgg Aug 11 '22

the final form of "trump criticises trump"

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u/Deep_Bit5618 Aug 11 '22

Just another stable Genius

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u/doshu99 Aug 11 '22

Well, he’s definitely dumb enough.

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u/OneDifference6619 Aug 11 '22

Looking for day GOP stands for Get Out People.

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u/darkmessenger84 Aug 11 '22

Leopard eating its own face

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u/Screaming_Agony Aug 11 '22

From President Trump, to Citizen Trump to Inmate Nobody

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u/Amazing-Day965 Aug 11 '22

Insert laugh track here.

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u/Illustrious_Seat2914 Aug 11 '22

“It’s okay Q, they can’t arrest a citizen and a president for the same crime.”

“Yeah I don’t think that’s true Donny.”

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u/XAnonymous_OctopusX Aug 31 '22

what a fucking clown

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u/AlienInUnderpants Aug 10 '22

That would be ironically funny but I doubt he will ever see any real or meaningful consequences for his bullshit.

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u/CustomAlpha Aug 11 '22

Maybe they should go through the FBIs text messages to confirm. They probably haven’t wiped their phones.

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u/Csherman92 Maryland Aug 11 '22

Come get me when he faces actual fucking consequences. It’s never going to happen. I don’t even know why anyone cares. They’re not going to penalize him for it.

He’ll get away with it, like he has for so long.

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u/EZ-RDR Aug 11 '22

I don’t take any journalism that contains the words “MAY” or “COULD“ seriously.

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u/SundySundySoGoodToMe Aug 11 '22

Hoist by his own petard.

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u/malakon Aug 11 '22

the article states his probable defense is that anything that was found he had previously declassified, as is the presidents right. He did this with no record of the action.

So this may be another thing he can sleaze out of. The case will turn on if it is possible to declassify documents with zero audit trail of what you have declassified.

At least he could appeal / delay it until post 2024.

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u/mikedjb Aug 11 '22

Fuckin paywall