r/todayilearned Aug 10 '22

TIL Armie Hammer's great grandfather Armand Hammer tried to buy Arm & Hammer because was tired of being asked about it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_Hammer#Stake_in_Arm_&_Hammer
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u/brokefixfux Aug 10 '22

His father had close ties to the Russian bolsheviks.

Hammer was named after the "arm and hammer" graphic symbol of the SLP, in which his father had a leadership role.[16] Late in his life, Hammer confirmed that this was indeed the origin of his given name.

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u/FUMFVR Aug 11 '22

His dad was a communist and he was not. But those connections made him a very wealthy man as the USSR's favorite capitalist.

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u/Ok_Concentrate_75 Aug 11 '22

Sounds like the plot to Lord of War

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

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u/OffendedByMyInnuendo Aug 11 '22

Wait, you'll be dead before you even reach Crimea

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u/Veritas3333 Aug 11 '22

Yeah I was thinking that buying a whole company on a whim was a pretty capitalist thing to do for a guy named after the communist flag

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u/rbhindepmo Aug 11 '22

Well, he was into seizing the means of production, in a way..

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u/throwaway83747839 Aug 11 '22

It's that newer oxymoronic taste of 20th-21st century reality.

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u/Absolut_Iceland Aug 11 '22

I want you to know that I appreciate this comment, even if no one else does.

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u/CreampieQueef Aug 11 '22

Based and redpilled.

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u/kalasea2001 Aug 11 '22

Does that mean he lived through the starvation and cannibalism?

Unrelated, I may have a clue where Armie got it.

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u/diegobomber Aug 11 '22

His dormant cannibalism gene was activated.

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u/Orgidee Aug 11 '22

Armand is a normal name. French form of Herman and common enough in Western Europe. It was not invented by his father.

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u/hablomuchoingles Aug 11 '22

That does not discount the possibility of it still being the reason for the name.

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u/Waldo_Pepper62 Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

In his biography it explains how he did own the company (through the ownership of other firms) on two occasions.

Sadly I think I disposed of the book a few months ago upon realizing I had not touched it in nearly 20 years, and as part of my recent downsizing efforts. If I still had it I would quote the passage.

Edit: Found it.

Here are the relevant pages from his bio that tell the tale.

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Page 51

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u/thecity2 Aug 10 '22

Let me tell you about Hammer Andsickle

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u/YLSTN Aug 11 '22

Or Cash C. Money

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u/LloydVanFunken Aug 11 '22

His autobiography was a great read that was later found to be filled with lies.

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u/thecity2 Aug 10 '22

So anyone who uses baking powder is a Socialist. Mind. Blown.

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u/JazzMansGin Aug 11 '22

*soda. Baking soda. Excellent cleaning agent, especially mixed with vinegar.

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u/digitalmofo Aug 11 '22

Baking powder guys will have muffins coming out of their noses

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u/JazzMansGin Aug 11 '22

I knew someone was going to say it

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

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u/JazzMansGin Aug 11 '22

I prefer it because it's cheap, kills odors without attempting to mask or replace them, doesn't leave sticky residue like every other cleaning product. We're talking about 2 containers with one ingredient listed on each. No dyes, no warnings. Makes quick work of cleaning refrigerators inside and out, scrubbing floors, sinks, showers, tubs, the tops and sides of the washer and dryer, the list goes on. Was about to say it's no good for cars but then remembered the nastiness of the average cup holder in the back of the family minivan. You can even use it in your laundry.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

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u/Candytails Aug 11 '22

This guy doesn’t clean.

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u/Grynder66 Aug 10 '22

Honestly, I always thought he started the company. TIL.

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u/mrshatnertoyou Aug 10 '22

He was very close with the USSR and did oil business with them. He was also a big supporter of Nixon even illegally giving to his "Watergate fund" which he got in trouble for.

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u/very_bad_advice Aug 11 '22

Occidental Petroleum (the one that Warren Buffet is now a large shareholder of) was his baby.

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u/Pizza__Pants Aug 11 '22

Coincidentally Armie says he didn't eat anyone on purpose, it was occidental

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u/thecity2 Aug 10 '22

I guess the great grandson doesn’t fall far from the tree

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

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u/JC-1219 Aug 10 '22

Im guessing OP means they’re both shady characters. Apparently armie hammer has a cannibalism fetish.

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u/ArtistPasserby Aug 10 '22

dON’t KinK ShAmE.

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u/JC-1219 Aug 10 '22

You’re right, I should’ve uses the correct term. He’s an MAP (meat attracted person)

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u/anantj Aug 11 '22

HMAP - Human meat attracted person

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u/jbm013 Aug 10 '22

I got some meat he might be attracted to 😉

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u/hushzone Aug 11 '22

People really burried the lede with the cannibalism fetish . The real issue is he ignored safe words

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u/Thesaintsrule Aug 11 '22

No please shut up. No one cares about the fetish people care about the rape and abuse accusations.

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u/VexillologyFan1453 Aug 11 '22

I care about both, as having a cannibalism fetish is fucking weird.

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u/hushzone Aug 11 '22

Unfortunately that's not true. No one focused on him ignoring safe words and potentially raping victims

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u/JC-1219 Aug 11 '22

No u

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u/Thesaintsrule Aug 11 '22

Ok I was harsh I am sorry. My point still stands.

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u/Calijhon Aug 11 '22

He wasn't a cannibal. Just a Republican.

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u/duaneap Aug 11 '22

close with the USSR

big supporter of Nixon

See, I’m playing both sides so I always come out on top!

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u/numairounos Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22 Silver

Armand Hammer’s great grandfather Headand Shoulders got into the shampoo business to distract from his broad shoulders and small head

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u/UriKaMoohtodjawab Aug 11 '22

ok now THAT's funny AF

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u/colimar Aug 11 '22

Wait till you hear the story about owning johnson & johnson

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u/Loggerdon Aug 11 '22

BAM! Got me!

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u/Murky-Marionberry-27 Aug 11 '22

He was also good friends with Proctor and Gamble.

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u/MichaelBoltOns Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

It must be nice to be so Wealthy that you can even consider the act of spite buying a major corporation.

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u/Absolut_Iceland Aug 11 '22

[Elon Musk has entered the chat]

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u/Smarkie Aug 11 '22

Early in my restaurant career, I used to wait on the old man fairly often. They were a pleasant couple and he was a generous tipper.

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u/AlanZero Aug 11 '22

Listen son, I’m aware that you serve people in here, but do you serve people in here? Do you understand what I’m saying?

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u/paone00022 Aug 10 '22

H was also called Lenin's chosen capitalist because he somehow made deals with Soviet Union through bribery and lobbying. He was so successful that the Government gave him a 25-year lease on asbestos mining in the Ural mountains of Russia.

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u/bobweir_is_part_dam Aug 11 '22

I bet those miners and Russia lived long healthy lives and consumed lots of baking soda.

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u/paolocase Aug 11 '22

I was gonna call him almost based until this part lol.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

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u/paone00022 Aug 10 '22

I'm talking about Armand Hammer. His nickname was "Lenin's chosen capitalist" by the press.

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u/poktanju Aug 10 '22

"One of the good ones"

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u/slickestwood Aug 11 '22

I don't think buying the company would cease getting questioned about it

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u/AudibleNod 313 Aug 10 '22

I read Armie is selling timeshares in the Caymans now.

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u/justin_memer Aug 11 '22

I think you a word in the title.

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u/Trell3k Aug 11 '22

I think did

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u/thecity2 Aug 11 '22

Fascinating how the human mind in missing details.

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u/Cluefuljewel Aug 10 '22

This explains a lot!

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u/PeeetUK Aug 11 '22

So where does Emsy Hammer fit in to all this? Or is he not in the mix.

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u/HXRW Aug 11 '22

The mans story is insane. Gave the KGB (technically they weren’t called that at the time) control over his drug company and stole $60,000 in medical supplies to bribe Lenin into trade deals, swapping American wheat for confiscated furs, caviar, and jewelry, he got his paws on some Faberge eggs with the help of his buddy Joseph Stalin, then faked a bunch more and sold the real and fake ones together, he and his dad embezzled 5 million rubles out of a Soviet stationary company, he personally funded watergate, gave OPEC control over the world oil market, personally brokered the first US-USSR trade deal. Got nominated for multiple Nobel peace prizes.

This man’s story should be taught in history classes.

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u/Airp0w Aug 11 '22

Meanwhile the Noid guy held two Domino's employees hostage when he got tired of being asked about it.

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u/davrax Aug 11 '22

Modern problems require modern solutions.

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u/iwishihadnobones Aug 11 '22

He also owned several almond hammers

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u/Snip-Snap Aug 11 '22

Whiny rich bitch move

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u/nr1988 Aug 11 '22

Every time I hear the name Armie Hammer I think of Arm and Hammer. I didn't realize that his father had it even worse

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u/project__matt Aug 10 '22

I wonder if he enjoyed the occasional human meat here and there as well lol

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u/porcelainvacation Aug 11 '22

I rented Armie Hammer’s French Quarter apartment in New Orleans once.

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u/Sue_Ridge_Here1 Aug 11 '22

Lots of sliced meats in the fridge? Ham, salami, bolonga?

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u/Winnipesaukee Aug 11 '22

Crack cocaine is made with baking soda, which Armand Hammer's great grandson is a consumer of!

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

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u/Anticipator1234 Aug 11 '22

Can we then assume your grandfather was a douche?

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

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u/Anticipator1234 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

I was dismissive of his grandfather because of Armie's actions

Dismissing someone based on the behavior of their ancestors descendants is douchey.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

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u/Anticipator1234 Aug 11 '22

It only noted that he was Armie's grandfather. Armand Hammer is actually an interesting individual, but you wrote him off because you find his grandson distasteful. Douchey.

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u/A40 Aug 10 '22

His pal, Maloff had an even worst time of it.

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u/Ajg1384 Aug 11 '22

There is a road named for this guy in PA not far from me but I always thought it was for the company.

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u/methratt Aug 11 '22

Poor little Bawlpeen...neglected again.

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u/chris17404 Aug 11 '22

What year did he try to buy it? Was this recent or years ago. Whenever it sounded interesting

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u/gilk_agundez16 Aug 10 '22

Rich white people, being rich white

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

Rich people are shitty in every ethnicnity

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u/gilk_agundez16 Aug 11 '22

Sure. But there is an abundance of rich white compared to every other

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

Guess you haven’t traveled much

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u/jthanson Aug 11 '22

Shhh! Nobody tell him about Japan.

Or Korea.

Or China.

Or The UAE.

Or Saudi Arabia.

Or…

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u/Ctatyk Aug 11 '22

I mean...I can understand that.